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California Supreme Court: Don't Tell Jurors to Rat on Each Other
Law.com/The Recorder ^ | 7/22/02 | Dennis J. Opatrny

Posted on 07/20/2002 4:51:45 PM PDT by Sandy

The California Supreme Court on Thursday told trial judges to stop telling jurors to snitch on fellow jurors they suspect of misconduct during deliberations.

In a 4-3 decision, the majority held that a jury instruction directing jurors to speak out about each other disrupts court proceedings.

"We believe the instruction has the potential to intrude unnecessarily on the deliberative process and affect it adversely -- both with respect to the freedom of jurors to express their differing views during deliberations and the proper receptivity they should accord the views of their fellow jurors," Chief Justice Ronald George wrote for the majority.

Justice Marvin Baxter dissented, arguing the instruction passed constitutional muster and the risk of it being misunderstood by jurors was minimal.

Baxter criticized the majority for erasing the instruction without writing a new one.

"The problem is that the majority, other than disapproving this instruction, fails to articulate how trial courts may properly inform jurors of that duty, apparently assuming instead that jurors will discover this duty on their own," Baxter wrote. He was joined by Justices Ming Chin and Janice Rogers Brown.

San Francisco Superior Court Judge James Warren said he doubts the ruling will have much impact.

"As a practical matter, I don't know how this is different from the beginning of a trial, when you tell the jurors you have to follow the law as I state it," Warren said. "I just won't give [the disapproved instruction]."

Professor Evan Lee of University of California's Hastings College of the Law agreed with Warren that the high court's ruling won't change much.

"I just don't think jurors squeal on one another," said Lee, who teaches criminal law. "I think most jurors feel 'I have to live with these people. If I squeal, I've got nowhere to hide.'"

At issue in People v. Engelman, 02 C.D.O.S. 6411, was California Jury Instruction 17.41.1, which judges give before deliberations. It directs jurors to advise the court if they suspect someone is refusing to discuss the evidence or plans to disregard the law.

Joined by Justices Joyce Kennard, Kathryn Mickle Werdegar and Carlos Moreno, the chief justice said the high court wasn't telling jurors to ignore alleged misconduct.

"In our view, it is not conducive to the proper functioning of the deliberative process for the trial court to declare -- before deliberations begin and before any problems develop -- that jurors should oversee the reason and decision-making process of their fellow jurors and report perceived improprieties in that process," George said.

Tye Engeleman was convicted in San Diego County Superior Court of robbery and assault with a deadly weapon. His appeal rested solely on the contention that the jury instruction was given over his counsel's objection, depriving him of constitutional rights to due process.

The 4th District Court of Appeal affirmed the conviction, as did the California Supreme Court. But the majority invoked its "supervisory power" to void the instruction in future cases.

"The law does not require that the jury be instructed in these terms," George wrote.

He went on to say that the dangers the instruction raises, such as a juror using it "as a tool to browbeat other jurors, "outweigh its benefit.

"Jurors, of course, do not always know what constitutes misconduct, simply because of fierce disagreement among the jurors," George added. "We believe [the instruction] not only has the potential to lead members of the jury to shed the secrecy of deliberations, but also to draw the court unnecessarily into delicate and potentially coercive exploration of the subject matter of deliberations."

In his dissent, Baxter said the majority overstated its case.

"Despite the fact that the instruction has been given in hundreds of cases, the majority offers no evidence of such misuse," he wrote.

Baxter also mocked the majority for "focusing exclusively on the instruction's possible effect on overly sensitive jurors."

"I hope trial courts will not misinterpret the majority and overreact by abstaining from reasonable efforts to prevent and remedy misconduct in a timely manner," he wrote.

"Unless jurors are informed of their solemn responsibility to report misconduct, I predict that many judgments will be reversed simply because the trial judge never had the opportunity to cure the problem."

California jury instructions are written by judges from the Los Angeles Superior Court.




TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: court
It directs jurors to advise the court if they suspect someone is refusing to discuss the evidence or plans to disregard the law...

"The problem is that the majority...fails to articulate how trial courts may properly inform jurors of that duty, apparently assuming instead that jurors will discover this duty on their own," [dissenting Judge] Baxter wrote.

How about recognizing that the juror has no such duty?

"As a practical matter, I don't know how this is different from the beginning of a trial, when you tell the jurors you have to follow the law as I state it," [Superior Court Judge James] Warren said.

As a practical matter, it really is no different. Jurors should not be told to "follow the law as the judge states it." This is akin to telling jurors that they must obey whatever the government says. This of course flies in the face of the jury's and the Sixth Amendment's purpose, which is to serve as a check on government, not to serve as government's rubber stamp.

1 posted on 07/20/2002 4:51:45 PM PDT by Sandy
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CALJIC No. 17.41.1, states: "The integrity of a trial requires that jurors, at all times during their deliberations, conduct themselves as required by these instructions. Accordingly, should it occur that any juror refuses to deliberate or expresses an intention to disregard the law or to decide the case based on penalty or punishment, or any other improper basis, it is the obligation of the other jurors to immediately advise the Court of the situation."
2 posted on 07/20/2002 5:07:01 PM PDT by Sandy
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People v. Engelman (.pdf) (.doc)
3 posted on 07/20/2002 5:10:52 PM PDT by Sandy
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To: Sandy
Are there ANY sane jurists in California?
4 posted on 07/20/2002 5:22:38 PM PDT by NativeNewYorker
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To: Sandy
"The problem is that the majority fails to articulate how trial courts may properly inform jurors of that duty"

Any chance Marv that if a jury was simply reminded of their personal responsibilities this might be as effective (if any instruction is effective) without the chilling effect of a mole on the jury.

5 posted on 07/20/2002 5:28:23 PM PDT by Amerigomag
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To: Sandy
"As a practical matter, I don't know how this is different from the beginning of a trial, when you tell the jurors you have to follow the law as I state it,"

You are exactly correct, Sandy. The above instruction is a lie. Jurors have always had the power to judge the law and possible sentences to assure that justice is done. It is a basic american and english law concept called jury nullification. Every lawyer will grudgingly admit that the jurors have the power, but most of them will argue that they should not.

6 posted on 07/20/2002 7:08:58 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain
I believe it is a juror's right to judge both the law and the defendant.
7 posted on 07/20/2002 7:21:45 PM PDT by monkeyshine
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To: NativeNewYorker
Are there ANY sane jurists in California?

Yes. They recognize that jurors who know their rights are a threat to their own power.

8 posted on 07/20/2002 7:27:51 PM PDT by supercat
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To: Sandy
Isn't this just what Bush's TIPS program is all about?.
9 posted on 07/20/2002 8:06:04 PM PDT by gunshy
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To: monkeyshine
It is the jurors right, but in instructing the jury, judges almost always expressly tell the jury that they are not to judge based upon whether or not they beklieve the law to be valid, but instead to simply determone whether or not the law has been broken..
Mention any knowledge of jury nullification during the jury selection process and you are sure to be excused from jury duty...
10 posted on 07/20/2002 9:52:14 PM PDT by m&maz
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To: Sandy; Amerigomag; marktwain; monkeyshine; m&maz

This of course flies in the face of the jury's and the Sixth Amendment's purpose, which is to serve as a check on government, not to serve as government's rubber stamp.

In particular it violates the defendants Sixth Amendment right to an impartial jury.

Discover How Judges that Preside
Over Jury Trials Routinely Violate the Constitution.

"As a practical matter, I don't know how this is different from the beginning of a trial, when you tell the jurors you have to follow the law as I state it," Warren said. "I just won't give [the disapproved instruction]."

The above statement in bold told to jurors, since 1894 has been in violation of each Defendant's Sixth Amendment right to an impartial jury. The Sixth Amendment reads:

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.

Prior to 1894 judges routinely told jurors that they were to judge the facts and the law. ...And the law. For the defendant, a jury that judges the law upholds his right to a jury that is not partial for the government. It is the defendants right to have a jury that judges the law as well as the facts.

To judge all facts in the case includes judging the most critical fact -- that a person was charged with breaking a certain and specific law or laws. Without that there can be no case to take to trial. It is the primary and most critical fact for which the government makes its case. Pressing criminal charges against a person gets the process in motion. The reason it must be the prosecution that gets the process started is because the suspect/defendant is innocent. Innocent until proven guilty in court.

Thus it was not the person's/defendant's actions that initiated force against any person or their property. For, until the defendant has received the verdict it is not known whether the arresting law enforcement officer acted in self-defense in correctly upholding the law or unknowingly acted with initiation of force while attempting to uphold the law. That is, the LEO making the arrest had reason to believe the person broke the law and then the DA (district attorney) pressed charges against the suspect. Yet the LEO/DA/government don't know for certain that the suspect/defendant broke the law. That detail will be answered by the jury.

What does it mean when the jury's verdict is an acquittal? It means the charges against the defendant were in error. That is, the defendant never broke the law he was charged with breaking. The law has been judged by the jury to have been wrongfully charged against the defendant. The jury says, "No. The law does not apply to the defendant breaking it. The law only applies in that the defendant abided the law." The law has been deemed to have been wrongfully applied -- the law does not apply to the defendant.

Guess what? That's what jury nullification is -- the jury discovers the same thing. That is, with jury nullification the jury decides that the law does not apply to the defendant -- the law had been wrongfully applied.

As per the Sixth Amendment the defendant has the right to an impartial trial wherein the jury judges the law. For there is no way the jury can avoid judging the law. The jury has only two choices, 1) the law was correctly applied/charged against the defendant, or 2) the law was wrongfully applied/charged against the defendant.

It is each judge's job responsibility to ensure that the defendant's Sixth Amendment rights are protected. The primary key to each trial is the laws that the defendant is charged to have violated. It is by way of the facts presented by the prosecution and the defense during the trial that the primary key -- law as charged -- is judged to have been correct or in error. The facts presented by the prosecution and defense are secondary. That's the nature of cause and effect relationships. When one thing cannot exist without the other first being present the first thing is primary and the effect of that is secondary.

It is accepted that the defendant acted in a manner that appeared to have broken the law and was one factor in the LEO's/DA's/government's judgment that the person's actions violated the law. It cannot be misconstrued that the defendant's actions are the primary cause. For the defendant is deemed innocent and only suspected to have broken the law. The primary cause is the LEO's/DA's/government's judgment to set the court process in motion -- not the suspect's actions.

As per the Sixth Amendment an impartial jury favors neither the government nor the defendant.

Each jury that each judge has failed to inform the jury that they are to judge the law as well as the facts as they pertain to the case/trial has caused each of those juries to favor the government over the defendant.

Since 1894 each judge that has presided over jury trials has routinely violated the constitution. Concurrently, each defendant in each of those trials has had his or her Sixth Amendment right to an impartial jury violated. ....Violated by the judge presiding over the trial.

At issue in People v. Engelman, 02 C.D.O.S. 6411, was California Jury Instruction 17.41.1, which judges give before deliberations. It directs jurors to advise the court if they suspect someone is refusing to discuss the evidence or plans to disregard the law.

As shown ealier the jury cannot disregard the law for it is the law that is the primary key being judged.

"Unless jurors are informed of their solemn responsibility to report misconduct, I predict that many judgments will be reversed simply because the trial judge never had the opportunity to cure the problem."

That is trivial compared to the fact that virtually every judge presiding over jury trials routinely violates defendants' Sixth Amendment rights. Now there's a valid reason why many judgments will be reversed. Reversed simply because the judge violated the defendant's Sixth Amendment right to an impartial jury when he instructed the jury to favor the government over the defendant.

11 posted on 07/21/2002 12:52:40 AM PDT by Zon
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To: Sandy
The defendant and the law itself is always on trial. Such has it always been and rightfully so.
12 posted on 07/21/2002 1:10:26 AM PDT by Movemout
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To: Zon
Good post. Bump.
13 posted on 07/21/2002 12:13:13 PM PDT by monkeyshine
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To: Zon
Can a defendant request to be seated behind the 'bar'?
14 posted on 07/23/2002 7:31:16 AM PDT by B4Ranch
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To: B4Ranch

Yes. But it wouldn't do any good though because the defendant would never be granted such a request because there's nothing in the constitution that says that the government must honor that request.

Far more important is the defendant's right to be heard by an impartial jury as stated in the Sixth Amendment and explained in post #11.

15 posted on 07/23/2002 8:08:37 AM PDT by Zon
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To: B4Ranch
The reason I asked was I was at a trial where the defendant did sit behind the bar. He asked the Judge if he would retain all of his Constitutional Rights if he was inside the bar. The judge replied I am not a Constitutional Judge and I refuse to discuss that in my courtroom. So he sat outside the bar.
16 posted on 07/23/2002 12:56:58 PM PDT by B4Ranch
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To: Zon
Continuation: In this case there was no Jury.
17 posted on 07/23/2002 1:28:54 PM PDT by B4Ranch
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To: B4Ranch
I assume your post #16 was intended for me and not yourself?

I once was a defendant in a traffic-court trial. While the ticketing police officer was on the stand the judge had me sit behind the bar. I had no lawyer and provided my own defense.

Interesting side note: I succeeded in the trial. A week later I asked a hot-shot lawyer (or so he thought) what the odds are of a person getting off under "such and such" a circumstance. I didn't tell him it was my situation. His response, "never". It was then that I told him about my case and how I won.

18 posted on 07/23/2002 1:42:25 PM PDT by Zon
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