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Virgin of Guadalupe's Eyes Tell of Mystery
Zenit News Agency ^ | 7/17/02

Posted on 07/18/2002 8:37:42 AM PDT by marshmallow

IBM Expert Talks of Microscopic Images Imprinted on Tilma

MADRID, Spain, JULY 17, 2002 (Zenit.org).- In 1929, a microscopic figure was discovered in the eyes of the image of the Virgin of Guadalupe. Since then, the mystery of her pupils has challenged science.

One of the men who have expended the most energy in trying to cast light on this image is Peruvian scientist José Aste Tonsmann, an expert at International Business Machines in the digital processing of images.

Twenty-two years ago, Aste decided to investigate the presence of other figures reflected in the Virgin's eyes and, in fact, found 12.

On July 31, John Paul II will canonize Indian Juan Diego, the witness of the Guadalupe apparitions, in Mexico.

When the human eye focuses, the objects it is looking at are reflected in its retina. "Right now I am reflected in your eye," Aste explained to an interviewer.

"According to whether the object is close or far, it will be reflected in a larger or smaller size in the ocular globe," he said. "And this is what happens with the eyes of the Virgin of Guadalupe. The image reflected in her two retinas is that of the moment when the Virgin left her imprint on Juan Diego's tilma."

Q: Can these figures be the work of humans?

Aste: No, for three reasons. In the first place, they are not visible to the human eye, except for one: that of the Spaniard, which is the largest. Nobody could have painted such tiny silhouettes.

In the second place, the origin of the pigments of these figures is unknown. The same is true of the Virgin's image. It is not painted, and no one yet knows how it was stamped on Juan Diego's tilma.

Q: And the third?

Aste: The three figures are reproduced in both eyes. What artist would do that? Moreover, their size varies from one eye to the other, according to how close the personage was to the Virgin's left or right eye.

Q: What process did you follow in your experiment?

Aste: First photographs are taken of the eyes. Then they are digitalized. They are read by the computer, enlarged and screened from the images.

Q: Who appears in the eyes?

Aste: There is a virtually naked servant; an elderly man -- Bishop Friar Juan de Zumárraga; a youth -- the interpreter; an Indian with a tilma -- Juan Diego; a black woman -- a slave; a bearded Spaniard; and, lastly, an Indian family including father, mother, three children and two more adults, who could be grandparents or uncles.

Q: How do you know that the other figures correspond to the slave, the interpreter, etc.?

Aste: There is evidence in history. The elderly man who appears in the Virgin's eyes looks very much like the paintings of that period of Bishop Zumárraga. As to the black slave, Zumárraga said in his will that he released her. We also know that she was called Maria. In the Indies Archives there is a record of the bishop's embarkation when he left for the New World.


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1 posted on 07/18/2002 8:37:42 AM PDT by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow
I will get flamed for saying this, but as far as this is concerned, who cares? It's miracle searching analagous to picking fly shit out of pepper, with all due respect. It's the message I am concerned about. Visitations at Fatima more then satisfy my need for a miracle, as does the existence of a Padre Pio and the thousands of unsung missionaries here and abroad living a good, charitable life. V's wife.
2 posted on 07/18/2002 8:50:46 AM PDT by ventana
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To: marshmallow
Half are looking to de-bunk and the other half are looking to confirm.

IMHO the signs of God are everywhere there is life.

3 posted on 07/18/2002 8:59:14 AM PDT by Semper Paratus
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To: marshmallow
Last year Peggy Nonnan wrote an op ed piece for the WSJ regarding US Mexican relations and how President Bush should visit with with President Fox at the Catherdral of Guadalupe. I was curious and visited the site and was amazed at what I learned.

Maybe you should visit Pretty Little Angel Eyes!

4 posted on 07/18/2002 9:30:12 AM PDT by Young Werther
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To: marshmallow
Why doesn't this guy apply his technique to clouds? Then he can explain how God has formed bunny rabbits in the sky to make us remember Easter. After that he can explain how a portrait of Elvis appeared in my stool this morning.
5 posted on 07/18/2002 9:54:51 AM PDT by PMCarey
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To: marshmallow
Although this article is very interesting, I looked up tilma and found that this paticular one is made from a poor quality cactus-cloth that has 14 threads per square centimetre. That is seven thread vertically and seven horizontal. I find it hard to believe that a microscopic image could be found on a fabric almost as coarse as burlap (12 threads per square inch).
6 posted on 07/18/2002 10:16:05 AM PDT by Gaston
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To: marshmallow
It has always been a mystery why these Virgin Mary miracles are always witnessed by Catholics but none are seen by Baptists.

We have Virgin Mary sightings every week around here but I will be damned if anyone out of the Catholic church ever sees them.
7 posted on 07/18/2002 11:18:35 AM PDT by DH
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To: marshmallow
"Moreover, their size varies from one eye to the other, according to how close the personage was to the Virgin's left or right eye."

Could a 3-D image be made with this information?

Read Jacques Vallee for a very interesting interpretation of the miracle of Our Lady of Guadalupe.

8 posted on 07/18/2002 11:43:28 AM PDT by Kermit
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To: marshmallow

Link to spanish language article, source of pics.

9 posted on 07/18/2002 11:55:44 AM PDT by Kermit
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To: marshmallow

10 posted on 07/18/2002 11:56:57 AM PDT by Kermit
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