Dutch probe (Muslim) clerics on violent rhetoric

Washington Times ^ | 6/19/02 | Joan Clements and Ambrose Evans-Pritchard, LONDON DAILY TELEGRAPH

[kattracks]

THE HAGUE

[Post Toasties]

Sounds like a step in the right direction. I think that all passages in the Koran which incite violence and discrimination against non-Muslims should be stricken from texts used in mosques.

[DBtoo]

I can't believe this! My husband just said to me a little while ago that Holland will start having problems with the Muslims there, and I said probably not, as no one has a beef with the Dutch. Then he reminded me of the red light district and the large homosexual community in Amsterdam, but I just figured they wouldn't have moved there if it was going to offend them that much. I didn't like it, but I'm just one American and I have no right to tell another country how they should live.

When we lived in Amsterdam a few years ago, there was an article in a paper there written by one of the prominent imans or mullahs in Holland, and he was putting down Dutch people because in his opinion, they don't have enough children and instead raise dogs, which Arabs/Muslims find disgusting. They hate dogs; it's a cultural thing. I thought to myself, what nerve, if they don't like it they need to go back to where they came from. I was somewhat concerned about all the Muslim immigrants moving to Holland at the time. We were there for 2 years because of my husband's job. But I didn't think they'd start making death threats and such, although I guess at this point I shouldn't be surprised.

[Cacique]

Your comments would be welcome here.

[knighthawk]

These imams cannot be kick out, they have become Dutch nationals.

The imams also called their followers to beat their woman.

It's been going on for years, and it's been hidden from us. Now all of the sudden even de left (D'66), who allowed all this to happen want to take action. I's too late, the damage has been done.

I will start an extended thread about it, together with a thread about a Turkish extremists organization here.

[Cacique]

I would assume that Holland like most countries has ways of revoking the citizenship of persons that violate the law.

In the United States a naturalized citizen can have his citizenship revoked if he is convicted of a felony.

The same is true also of my native country Argentina. I would assume most countries have such laws on the books.

[knighthawk]

I don't know for sure. But a few weeks back another imam was let off the hook when he made remarks about homosexuals. He claimed he could say it, because of the freedom of religion. The judge agreed and he didn't have to pay a fine like a priest who said almost the same.

You see, islamists are protected by law and the apologists will do everything to protect them.

Before they could be punished in any way, there is a long way to go.

[dennisw]

These Islamics and Mullahs have been getting away with all kinds of incitement for far too long. In Holland, Europe, and America. Also on the West Bank. The average IQ in these mosques is room temperature so it doesn't take much to stir up the so called "Ummah"

[dennisw]

I don't know for sure. But a few weeks back another imam was let off the hook when he made remarks about homosexuals. He claimed he could say it, because of the freedom of religion. The judge agreed and he didn't have to pay a fine like a priest who said almost the same.

Why would Islamics even want to live there? If Dutch society is so distasteful?\

Because they have turned their own Muslim nations into sh*tholes and they want to live off, suck off, the wealth of Europe while they turn it into one big mosque. Ten years ago I was told that Holland and England have the largest mass of old wealth that just keeps on compounding into greater wealth. The Muslims smell this money and smell enervation in Europe..... Fruits ripe for the plucking.

[meenie]

There seems to be a disconnect between what the Muslims do versus what they say. It is reported the Muslims in Afghan have their own favorite male prostitutes but in Holland the clerics criticize homos. The 9/11 bombers take in all the hot spots and party before their attack but the attack makes them eligible, in their view, for maryrdom and the favoritism of Allah which condemns their actions before the attacks. There is something irrational in the Muslim thinking.

[Cacique]

An IQ of 70 would still put the population in the statistical mean of the average. An IQ of 100 is the staistical mean putting such a person in the 50 percentile. A person with an IQ of 70 would still fall into the 25 percentile. That would credit these people with far too much inteligence.

I would suspect that Muslims probably have an IQ much closer to the mean average winter temperature in Antartica.

[dennisw]

Islam is fast becoming the default religion for the discontented and violent of the 3rd world. Islam has a great utopian hypnotizing power the same that communism did. Even communism had it's glorified "mullahs". Just look at Lenin's tomb and the personality cult of MaoTseTung.

[Cacique]

A recent study points out that islam is not growing as a result of conversions. That is a myth, actual conversions are rare. But rather Islam is growing because of it's reproductive fervor in comparison to other groups. With an average birthrate of 6 per couple their numbers are bound to grow.

What we need is a biological agent that causes sterility so we can infect every Muslim country. It is clear that the further infestation of the gene pool by these people will continue to bring the average planetary IQ down.

[knighthawk]

Muslim thinking

Two words combined that don't make sense.

[knighthawk]

It's indeed true that the ummah grows because of getting a lot of children instead of non-muslims embracing islam (except for prisons). But a lot of people fail to notice that a lot of muslims embrace 'true islam', i.e. turn fundamentalist.

To extreme muslims it is converting people, because taking part in Western society, not wearing a beard like mohammed and not beating up your wife is not being a real muslim.

[DBtoo]

That's what I think is so unfair. They move to Holland, or Germany, or England, and they come for financial reasons but yet they feel they have the right to dictate how the Europeans there should live. Holland's immigration policy was way too liberal. I don't know how many times I had to go to the Alien Police station and sit for hours just to get permission to live there temporarily. I was often the only white person in a sea of brown faces (My husband's company had that all perpared for him, so he only had to go once or twice).

[DBtoo]

Most of the Muslims in Holland besides the Turks, are north African Arabs, like the pickpockets who stole my husband's daypack which was carrying all our documents at the time when we were on our way to get a phone hookup. At the police station, they had many pictures on hand of known pickpockets, and my husband was able to identify one of them. He was a Morrocan fellow, which most of the pickpockets are. They have quite a few Morrocans there. Nothing was done to try to catch the guy, going to the police station was a waste of time. But most of them are Arabs from north Africa living there, at least that's how it was around 6 or so years ago. I'm still angry over that incident.

[DBtoo]

They are pretty dumb in general. Honesty is not a strong point either.

[DBtoo]

I just read your profile page and see you are Dutch; I assumed you were an expat! I did notice many people in Europe in general didn't like Americans. We overheard some rude remarks in restaurants, and when people found out we were Americans they would bring up MacDonalds and guns. It was kind of sad, as we tried to fit in and behaved quietly and politely, and we took Dutch lessons the whole time we were there (although I have forgotten quite a bit of it). But many people were nice, and the coffee in Holland was so wonderful! And I miss the spa rood.

[dougherty]

He swept the left out of power last month pledging to reverse the state policy of promoting multiculturalism.

Good. The only culture they should be promoting is their own: Dutch culture. If the left wing nuts want to experience diversity, they need to take a trip to some another country, instead of trying to turn their own country into a melting pot/chamber pot.