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1 posted on 06/03/2002 7:06:33 AM PDT by Zeroisanumber
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To: Zeroisanumber
Memo to Safire:

We're at WAR!

2 posted on 06/03/2002 7:16:40 AM PDT by bigdog
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To: Zeroisanumber
Comments? Duh ... Safire.
3 posted on 06/03/2002 7:18:39 AM PDT by Quicksilver
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To: Zeroisanumber; philman_36; rdavis84; Betty Jo; boston_liberty; thinden
They had the power to collect the intelligence, but lacked the intellect to analyze the data the agencies collected.

Safire gets it.

6 posted on 06/03/2002 8:20:16 AM PDT by Fred Mertz
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To: Zeroisanumber
I'm not sure I "get" exactly what Safire is complaining about...my understanding is that the things they can now look at are in the public domain anyway - am I wrong?
10 posted on 06/03/2002 8:50:35 AM PDT by Amelia
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To: Zeroisanumber
William Safire is dead-nuts accurate.

The FBI does not need more power -- power that will eventually be misused by the likes of Hillary Clinton, should she get into office. The FBI needs better analysis of the information they did have. Also, The FBI needs to talk more to the CIA and local and state law enforcement.

13 posted on 06/03/2002 9:13:03 AM PDT by Lazamataz
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To: Zeroisanumber
The problem here is one of balance of powers and socialist hypocrisy. Take note that we are all now considered sinners deserving of surveillance. However, try for one bit to criticize the FBI to Ashcroft and you will get denial, and do not even count for the freedom of information act to work. So they are sinless, we are sinners. I agree that the FBI must gain powers, but so should we gain powers in of identifying and dealing with abject FBI behaviors as well as getting rid of moles within the FBI.

But, at war, we would think this is ok, to take orders, to give up consumption so that the government can consume us for purposes of preserving the nation from some threat that confines our day to day business. However, consuming a soldier for war does not mean one can use his property as a means of blackmail to force him to do those things, rather the behavior of the soldier towards a mission or with respect to a mission should be observed, and that is it.

However, the problem here is that the threat of confinement against our business is not addressed directly here, the threat that is addressed is a vague and global bunch of people whose profiling is, well, a PC secret of some sort that certainly includes private property but not private experts.

In fact the FBI is not on a treck to balance powers against terror organisations. It is not waging a war on terror. And that is the finer point. The origin of the confinement is not addressed nor sought to be destroyed. Just something to uncover plots. There is a big difference between fishing for plots and going after targets to destroy actively the origins of the terrorist confinement. We do not go after the central nervous system of these threats, we just go after the endings.

18 posted on 06/03/2002 9:38:13 AM PDT by lavaroise
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Thus we see the seizure of new powers of surveillance is a smokescreen to hide failure to use the old power.

Wow. Someone lit a fire under his posterior, and I'm glad for it. This article was dead on all the way through. We're fools if we think the government will use these powers wisely or with restraint. They may do so in the beginning, but that wont last for long.

There's something approaching on the radar, and it's a police state. We're headed for it at ever increasing speed. What possibly can stop us before we crash headlong into it?

Tuor

25 posted on 06/03/2002 10:05:25 AM PDT by Tuor
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ping!
27 posted on 06/03/2002 10:08:51 AM PDT by Fred Mertz
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