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What we lose because of law suits
Stossel Newsletter ^ | 5-30 | John Stossel

Posted on 05/30/2002 5:33:35 PM PDT by cd jones

This Friday's "Give Me A Break" is about what we lose... because of
lawsuits.
 
The center of summer activity in High Falls, N.Y. was once the town's
swimming hole. Says one resident: "People were having a good time. It
wasn't wild, it wasn't late at night. It was just a good summer time, and
people were having a ball."

Why is she speaking in past tense? Because Robert Every, the man who owns
the land around the swimming hole, built a fence around it, because he's
so worried that someone will sue him. "They could take everything I own,"
said Every.

They could. Because America is one of very few countries that doesn't
have a "loser-pays" legal system, he could lose everything even if he WON.
 Just defending yourself can bankrupt you.

Joanne McParlan still swims in the water hole, but only because she climbs
over the fence and sneaks in. She'd been swimming there for 25 years.
She said, "It's sad to me what's happening because children aren't going
to know that anymore. They're just going to know swimming pools."

It's just one of many summer pleasures have we lost because people are
afraid of being sued. School diving programs have been dropped, and diving
boards taken out of pools ... school gymnastics programs have been
dropped ... playground equipment has been removed ... and some parents are
so afraid of suits they won't coach Little League.
 
A soccer league where I've coached, fearing lawsuits over AIDS, sent all
coaches a notice that says, if a child gets a nosebleed, we must stop the
game, put on latex gloves, clean all the blood away, before the game may
resume. All this does it teach the fifth graders to be afraid of blood.
 
Last year Atlanta Braves outfielders were told not to toss balls to fans
anymore. The fans and players liked it, but it's just too lawsuit risky.

The lawyers claim their suits make life safer -- but do they? Joanne
McParlan now sneaks onto Robert Every's property to swim. Is that safer?

Too many "no-trespassing" signs just encourage people to break rules. Last
year, a 21-year-old man sneaked into a more dangerous part of the swimming
hole to gain access ... and drowned.

Closing swimming holes and gym programs makes kids less SELF-protective
... it doesn't teach them to take responsibility for their actions.

Yes, kids may fall and hurt themselves swimming or climbing trees, but are
we happier -- or safer -- when they aren't even given the chance to act?

Give Me a Break.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: lawsuits; lawyers; stossel

1 posted on 05/30/2002 5:33:35 PM PDT by cd jones
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To: cd jones
OMG! I witnessed a drowning at Crane Creek when I was 10 or 11, while enjoying the water with my whole family. If I knew then what I know now, I'd have (and all of my family would have too) sued the state of Ohio for having a recreation area where "they" could not GUARANTEE our safety. Hope the USA isn't accused of shark attacks this summer. GET OUT OF THE WATER, PEOPLE....:o
2 posted on 05/30/2002 5:54:07 PM PDT by callthemlikeyouseethem
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3 posted on 05/30/2002 5:54:22 PM PDT by Bob J
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To: cd jones
For the past few years I've been routinely hiring college kids to assist me with computer programming projects - and have really derived a significant degree of pride that I've been able to help these fine young people finance their educations.

Recently I've begun to hire only offshore programmers. The reason is not because "they're cheaper", but rather because I want to have a nest feathered somewhere else where my children might someday enjoy the freedom that I enjoyed growing up.

I'm hedging my bets on America.

4 posted on 05/30/2002 6:55:17 PM PDT by The Duke
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To: The Duke
nice to have options
cheers
5 posted on 05/30/2002 7:15:23 PM PDT by cd jones
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To: cd jones
The lawyers claim their suits make life safer

Actually, their suits make life more oppressive, but they make lawyers richer.

6 posted on 05/30/2002 7:53:35 PM PDT by Savage Beast
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To: cd jones
And then, of course, health care costs are out of the reach of everyone. If you have a preexisting, uninsurable illness--or your children or spouse do--you're a sitting duck for a financial wipeout. And doctors are sitting ducks for financial wipeouts due to catastrophic litigation. The health care system is a complete mess. All thanks to lawyers and lawsuits.
7 posted on 05/30/2002 8:00:01 PM PDT by Savage Beast
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To: Savage Beast
Again I am forced to defend the American way from the whiners. Maybe if some of you ever visited foreign countries you'd have your eyes opened. Ever wonder why when you cross the street with your children people stop their cars to let you cross? It ain't that way everywhere. Ever walk along a sidewalk with the manhole covers missing or open even at night? Doesn't happen too often over here in the US. Ever go skiing down a mountain and realize they have a two foot high pipe running perpendicular to the ground across half the trail? Thankfully they'd be out of business over here in the land of lawyers. Ever say to yourself, I sure wish they would restart production of the ford pinto I had when I was young, so I could get one for my son/daughter to learn to drive with? Ever wish for the good old days when a doctor would reuse hypodermic needles to save a little cash and lower your bill? Ever drive through the rockies and wish they would remove those costly road barriers that prevent you from going over the side? Ever wish your children could go play in the abandoned decaying house down the street, if only they would remove those pesky signs and fences, or maybe down by the railroad tracks so they could put pennies in front of the expres train to see how mashed they get? Ever wonder why your insurance rates haven't gone down, even though they put a cap on how much you can sue for? Ever wonder why that nice doctor got sued just because he accidentally killed your mother when she went to get her ingrown toenail removed? Its not like he meant it? Ever wonder why you hear about the old lady with the Mc Donalds coffee who won her case 10 years after it happened but you never hear about the doctor who cut opff the wrong leg or the factory that explodes and kills a smalltown for more then ten minutes? Suck it up people, you take the good with the bad. Millions of people and businesses manage to turn a considerable profit in this country everyday in spite of the lawyers. Any time Allstate wants to leave the insurance field for greener fields they are free to do so. Asking that my doctor actually knows what he is doing when he injects me with some drug doesn't seem like too much to ask. There may be some problems but as they say, you don't cut off your nose to spite your face. Anyone ever think to ask what you have gained because of lawsuits?
8 posted on 05/30/2002 9:17:53 PM PDT by foto
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To: cd jones
Yep, and notice I didn't name the country.

Already my new programmers as inviting me to come down to show me around.

9 posted on 05/30/2002 9:34:02 PM PDT by The Duke
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To: foto
Again I am forced to defend the American way from the whiners.

Given the destruction to this country that bogus litigation has caused and continues to cause, I would hardly call it "whining."

Maybe if some of you ever visited foreign countries you'd have your eyes opened.

Well, to set the record straight, I've been to 20 or so, from the finest cities in europe to 5th world S$%^tholes, so don't go there.

Ever wonder why when you cross the street with your children people stop their cars to let you cross? It ain't that way everywhere.

You're correct, but not because of scummy shakedown lawyers. Try "rule of law"; in many of those countries that will run you down, they throw you in jail and if your family won't feed you during your time, thems the breaks. No club med for those boys, let me tell you.

Ever walk along a sidewalk with the manhole covers missing or open even at night?

Yeah. And if I were to fall in, the very last thing that would go through my mind is that I just won the fricking lottery by suing the state. S&^t happens, and then you die. No guarantees. When *I* go walking around at night, I take a flashlight, and watch where the hell I'm going. The biggest and most egregious abuses of our system occur precisely because our country has forgotten the principle of INTENT. This means nothing anymore. Even *if* these manhole (sorry, maintenance access covers) were removed on purpose, the punk kid that did it hasn't got any money, so let's just sue the maker, the city, and the candlestick maker.

<<------ (more true whining removed)

Anyone ever think to ask what you have gained because of lawsuits

Yes, all the time, and it's a shame. Given that I have been overseas, I'm often asked if we have lost our mind. They hear our bullshit lawsuits and find it absolutely insane. We now have a helmet wearing four cylinder driving limp wristed politically "correct" populace who actually buy stuff that says "Do not Eat Frozen Pizza" and "Warning -- Cape Does Not Enable User To Fly" and feel that anything and everything bad that might happen is carte blanche to a free ride at the expense of taxpayers and consumers. We all pay to subsidize a bunch of crooked lawyers.

10 posted on 05/30/2002 9:51:03 PM PDT by Freedom4US
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To: foto
I would gladly and immediately trade in every bit of the "gain" to be free of this litigiousness.

(As for skiing in foreign countries, I'll take European skiing anytime--and I do. They don't close the slopes at 3 p.m. so they can groom them for fear of lawsuits.

You don't have attendants everywhere--to help you onto the lift etc.--which also serve as reminders that in America lawsuits are ubiquitous and inescapable.

And if you accidently collide with someone in Europe, the first thing you think is, "This is Europe; we don't have to worry about lawsuits."

You're on your own, all right. You have to be an adult. Skiing originated in Europe. It's been going on there for a long, long time.

And when you stop for lunch, somebody invariably brings up the subject of lawsuits in America: "Everybody's suing everybody else! All the time! How do you people stand it? Why do you put up with it?"

"It's insane," you reply. "I hate it."

The feeling of freedom, freedom from the oppressive, mercenary, litigious society! It's like dreaming of liberty whey you don't have it.)

11 posted on 05/31/2002 6:14:54 AM PDT by Savage Beast
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To: cd jones; foto
"Anyone ever think to ask what you have gained because of lawsuits?"
Yes, this is what I have gained: Health care is unaffordable, and my son is uninsurable.
"nice to have options"
I would give almost anything if I could choose between (1) affordable health care with no option to sue and (2) the present system, i.e. unaffordable health care with the option to sue.

Obviously, the trial lawyers lobby will never permit such a choice, for obvious reasons.

I deeply resent being forced to pay an army of wealthy lawyers to police the system.

Obviously, if their motives were not mercenary, they would choose other systems to police--maybe drug trafficing, for example--but the health care system is where the money is.

There is no point in hoping for relief from all this. The cards are stacked in favor of lawyers. They control politics. And they are well trained in the arts of persuasion--that's what they do. All this litigation will end only when it becomes no longer lucrative--so that will probably be never. That's why people whine. They can't do anything about it.

12 posted on 05/31/2002 6:40:06 AM PDT by Savage Beast
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To: cd jones
Lawyers suck.
13 posted on 05/31/2002 6:44:59 AM PDT by wny
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To: Savage Beast
my reply 'nice to have options' was in reply to The Duke's statement below:

For the past few years I've been routinely hiring college kids to assist me with computer programming projects - and have really derived a significant degree of pride that I've been able to help these fine young people finance their educations. Recently I've begun to hire only offshore programmers. The reason is not because "they're cheaper", but rather because I want to have a nest feathered somewhere else where my children might someday enjoy the freedom that I enjoyed growing up.
I'm hedging my bets on America.

14 posted on 05/31/2002 9:45:51 AM PDT by cd jones
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To: cd jones
Oh. I'm glad you told me, CD. I misunderstood (obviously). Thanks. (Some days I'm not anywhere near the beam.) --Sav
15 posted on 05/31/2002 10:14:45 AM PDT by Savage Beast
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To: wny
dittos on that
16 posted on 05/31/2002 8:21:56 PM PDT by cd jones
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