Posted on 05/26/2002 7:05:39 PM PDT by ELS
Section A: Every-Sunday traditional latin masses:
St. Mary Help of Christians Church
1204 South 61st Street
West Allis, Wisc. 53214-3207
Celebrants: Fr. Richard Breitbach & Fr. Frank Yaniak
Tel.: (414) 390-4283, 645-4773
Sundays: 11.30 a.m. (Low Mass in the summer; otherwise, High Mass)
Holydays: 7.00 p.m.
1st Fridays: 6.30 p.m.
1st Saturdays: 9.00 a.m.
Maundy Thursday & Good Friday: 7.00 p.m.
Holy Saturday: 10.30 p.m.
Thanks for the link . . . now if you could just do something about our Archbishop . . . :(
Ha! Well, you’re in luck. I just now signed up for two hours of “official” adoration. So I’ll be praying! :)
LOL! Thanks — we could use it! ;-)
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I am sympathetic to the argument, but all the monsters who almost devoured the Catholic Church in America were formed in the 1930s-1950s, in the supposed Golden Age.
Yes, the Spellmans and the Cushings opened the door to lots of young gay men, but the typical result was not the mass soul murderers like Birmingham and Goeghan but the lonely, sometimes alcoholic offender with a single victim.
The homosexual crisis in Amchurch was born in the Latin mass days.
“Let me get this straight.
An English Mass fosters sins; the Latin Mass doesn’t?
That’s shoe-size IQ thinking.
“Informality” is a nonsenical notion, especially when one equates it with the Novus Ordo. Who are you to decide the reverence of Catholics?
Latin doesn’t equal holy, pal.”
No, you haven’t gotten it straight.
Now, I have been at beautifully reverent Novus Ordo masses, and we are lucky to have a parish nearby in which that is the norm. However, the norm elsewhere is less reassuring. And the informality is indeed part of the problem.
In the words of Saint Thomas Aquinas, “External Actions are signs of Internal Reverence”
Here’s one example: in the Novus Ordo, the Confiteor may be said once, but also may be replaced by a brief “penitential rite”. In our area, this translates into the Confiteor almost never being said.
In the Traditional Latin Rite, the Confiteor is said THREE TIMES, once by the priest, twice by the altar boys, acting as our surrogates. The people say these prayers silently along with the altar boys.
Thus, the Traditional Rite reinforces our self-contemplation of sin and our desire for forgiveness. This self-contemplation makes us more mindful of our shortcomings as we relate to the Almighty.
On the other hand, the Novus Ordo glosses over this important concept in its own “Don’t worry, be happy” way. The Faithful are not constantly guided to self-examine at Mass, leading to less frequent confessions with the attendant grace received, leading to gradual acceptance of the crassness of modern secular life.
It is common to see many people lined up for Confession prior to a Traditional Latin Mass, and not infrequently, the rest of the congregation is saying the Rosary aloud prior to Mass.
If you attend a traditional Latin Mass, you are immediately struck by the quiet, the inherent reverence of the ceremony, and the beauty of the literal translation of the Latin text. And, if you have not heard Gregorian Chant in the setting for which it was written, especially the chanted Communion verses as you contemplate your reception of the Eucharist, you really can’t appreciate the uplifting, often ethereal nature of the traditional rite.
We have lost much in the wake of Vatican II.
The TLM at Holy Rosary Church has just moved around the corner earlier this month to St. Anthony of Padua Church - another beautiful church.
“No offense meant but a mere change of form will not cure what is happening to the Roman church.”
It is much more than just a change of form. The Tridentine Mass has power that is simply lacking in the Nooey Gooey mass, however reverently the latter may be said.
“Apparently the American hierarchy attempted to temporize with homosexuals.”
Beginning in the 1930s, the Soviet Union invested huge amounts of time and treasure in infiltrating commie fags into the seminaries. They had a significant degree of success. Now, that effort is moribund. The Church can’t turn on a dime, but it is coming about.
I am very disappointed that Pope Benedict retired with so little accomplished, and increasingly upset that Pope Francis looks like a full-bore modernist (see Pascendi Dominici Gregis). Still, God wins in the end, and this world is just a device that gives us the chance to become worthy to spend eternity with Him.
“There’s nothing fundamentally wrong with the Novus Ordo.”
I apologize for confronting, but there most certainly is a great deal wrong with it.
Analogy: if a person needs 400 mgs of tetracycline to cure strep throat, the Nooey Gooey mass is about 4 mgs.
“Yes, the Spellmans and the Cushings opened the door to lots of young gay men”
Use of the euphemism “gay” is participation in mortal sin.
You posted to sinkspur.
Sinkspur was a fraud; a modernist heretic who claimed to be a permanent deacon and was not.
He was supported to the hilt in all disputes by the Moderators, right up to the day he was finally exposed. At that point, the moderators forbade any further mention of sinkspur or their inexcusable support for him.
“It is common to see many people lined up for Confession prior to a Traditional Latin Mass”
The astounding part of that is that it means there is a priest in the church hearing confessions.
These Nooey Gooey churches generally have confession from 1500:00:00 until 1500:00:01 on Saturdays, unless the priest is busy—but of course you can call for an appointment.
When I came back to the states in April 2006 I left such a message more than a week before Easter. The priest called two weeks after Easter.
In Tokyo I could receive absolution every day of the year, either at lunch time or after work.
If you do get absolution by appointment, it’s likely to be in the parish office face to face with the priest.
Your trepidation is understandable. Read the Mass before you go so you will have a feel for what is being done and to see the parts which you already know. Many people don’t try to follow the missal the first time, many just watch and pray and that is fine. Allow yourself to enter into the sacred mysteries and enjoy the experience.
“It is common to see many people lined up for Confession prior to a Traditional Latin Mass”At St. John Cantius in Chicago, Confession continues right on through Sunday Mass. It's absolutely jaw-dropping the number of people who [at times] are in line.. http://www.cantius.org/go/liturgy_devotions/category/liturgical_devotional_schedule/
The TLM I was referring to is around the corner from the original TLM mentioned in the article. In the intervening years a new pastor came in at Holy Rosary Church who was, shall we say, not friendly to tradition. So, after much turmoil, the TLM has been relocated from Holy Rosary to St. Anthony's which is on the same city block. They have Mass on Sundays and holy days of obligation.
The oratory where I regularly go to Mass offers the TLM daily. It is not around the corner from where I live (or work). Can't have everything ...
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