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Another al-Qaeda Anthrax Connection
Washington Times ^

Posted on 05/17/2002 5:51:38 AM PDT by Ordinary_American

Edited on 07/12/2004 3:53:40 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

After September 11, when the FBI obtained a warrant to open Mr. Moussaoui's hard drive, they found information on airliners, crop dusters and wind patterns.


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TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Anthrax Scare; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: alqaeda; anthrax; binladen
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Atta and company were also investigating crop dusters in Florida. Wind patterns are important for aerosol dispersion of chemical and biological agents.
1 posted on 05/17/2002 5:51:38 AM PDT by Ordinary_American
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To: Ordinary_American
From Center for Civilian Biodefense Strategies:

Francisella tularensis, the organism that causes tularemia, is one of the most infectious pathogenic bacteria known, requiring inoculation or inhalation of as few as 10 organisms to cause disease. It is considered to be a dangerous potential biological weapon because of its extreme infectivity, ease of dissemination, and substantial capacity to cause illness and death.

A World Health Organization (WHO) expert committee reported in 1970 that if 50 kg of virulent F. tularensis was dispersed as an aerosol over a metropolitan area with a population of 5 million there would an estimated 250,000 incapacitating casualties, including 19,000 deaths.

Aerosol dissemination of F. tularensis in a populated area would be expected to result in the abrupt onset of large numbers of cases of acute, non-specific febrile illness beginning 3 to 5 days later (incubation range, 1-14 days), with pleuropneumonitis developing in a significant proportion of cases over the ensuing days and weeks. Without antibiotic treatment, the clinical course could progress to respiratory failure, shock and death.

The overall mortality rate for severe Type A strains has been 5-15%, but in pulmonic or septicemic cases of tularemia without antibiotics treatment the mortality rate has been as high as 30-60%.


2 posted on 05/17/2002 6:24:07 AM PDT by LurkedLongEnough
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To: keri; Nogbad; The Great Satan; Alamo-Girl; okie01; Shermy; right_to_defend; aristeides; muawiyah...
Ping.
3 posted on 05/17/2002 7:55:28 AM PDT by Mitchell
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To: Mitchell
Thanks for the heads up!
4 posted on 05/17/2002 9:58:25 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Ordinary_American; Mitchell; LurkedLongEnough; keri; Nogbad; The Great Satan; Alamo-Girl; okie01...
Correct. But the Anthrax matter is a faulty connection, IMO.

Recall that Atta was reported to have asked how much "poisons" the crop-duster would hold.

Early on we got experts saying that crop-dusters would not be a good dispersal method of Anthrax. The intimation was that therefore this wouldn't have happened. Some speculated thereafter that the cropdusters would have been used as suicide bombers.

This assumes that the public "experts" were right.

This also assumes that Qaed would not have tried it anyway, and thought it would work.

And the greatest assumption is that they were planning to use Anthrax in this manner at all.

Inferentially, the interest in crop dusters would indicate that Osama planned to use them in their usual use, spraying insecticides. Look what was found on a computer in Kabul:

Computer in Kabul holds chilling memos: PC used by al-Qaida leaders reveals 4 years of terrorism (Wall St. Jour, 12/31/01)

... Soon after the African bombings, the computer files show al-Qaida embarking on potentially its most deadly project: the “curdled milk” biological- and chemical-warfare program. A memo written in April 1999, apparently by Zawahri, notes that “the destructive power of these weapons is no less than that of nuclear weapons.”

The memo laments al-Qaida’s sluggishness in realizing the menace of these weapons, noting that “despite their extreme danger, we only became aware of them when the enemy drew our attention to them by repeatedly expressing concern that they can be produced simply.” [The Tom Clancy Effect!]

As a first step, the memo suggests, militants must brush up on their reading. The memo gives a detailed precis of an American history of chemical and germ warfare. It lists a catalog of exotic killers, from anthrax to Rocky Mountain spotted fever. [Available from books]

A May 7, 1999, file indicates that by that time, al-Qaida leaders had earmarked $2,000 to $4,000 for “start-up” costs of the program. In a letter dated May 23 and written under one of Zawahri’s aliases, the author reports discussing some “very useful ideas” during a visit to Abu Khabab, the alias of an elderly Egyptian scientist. “It just needs some experiments to develop its practical use.”

Particularly encouraging, the letter in the computer files said, was a home-brew nerve gas made from insecticides and a chemical additive that would help speed up penetration into the skin. The writer said Khabab had supplied a computer disk that gave details of “his product” in a WinZip file, and “my neighbor opened it by God’s will.”

U.S. officials, citing satellite photos and intelligence gathered from local residents, say Abu Khabab experimented with nerve gas on dogs and rabbits at a camp near the eastern Afghan city of Jalalabad. The camp, one of several in the area hit by U.S. bombs after Sept. 11, was known as Abu Khabab in honor of the scientist.

In a letter dated May 26 and stored in the computer under the same alias as earlier correspondence, the author says he was “very enthusiastic” about the Zabadi project and was especially pleased with Abu Khabab’s “significant progress.”

It isn’t clear how far al-Qaida got in making nerve gas. A June 1999 memo found on the hard drive and addressed to “Abu Hafs” — Atef’s alias — gave instructions for building a laboratory, ordering that walls be covered with oil paint and floors with tiles or cement “to facilitate cleaning with insecticides.” But, noted the memo, “construction should not start until electricity is installed.” It also called for evasive action to avoid detection: “Periodically (for example about every three months) one of the locations is to be canceled and replaced by another.”

A progress report complained that the use of nonspecialists had “resulted in a waste of effort and money,” urging the recruitment of experts as the “fastest, safest and cheapest” route. A June 1999 memo said the program should seek cover and talent in educational institutions, which it said were “more beneficial to us and allow easy access to specialists, which will greatly benefit us in the first stage, God willing.”...

And these memos came two years before 9/11. They may have succeeded in their chemical weapon research, using a common insecticide, with an additive, probably also common in the target country, which would avoid a "dispersal" problem of gas which would make it relatively ineffective, but effectively transmited by skin contact.

As I said, anthrax may be a distraction to understanding what use Osama could make of cropdusters. An interesting question is why they didn't carry through. It may have been a plan among many, and Osama chose the WTC option. Or it was planned to be another assymetrical attack on the populace - though it seems to have been the same pilots involved in both, the WTC and the cropduster visits.

I believe Osama contemplated a mass murder of swaths of American cities. I noticed that the press, in a bit of denial mode, rapidly adopted the "Oh, it's OK, Anthrax can't be spread that way" feel-good dismissive explanation.

And, of course, they may have actually done this before, but it failed somehow. Aum Shinrikyo had spread biologicals in Tokyo, on buildings I believe, but they failed. Then they opted for sarin in the enclosed confines of a subway, with effect.

Keep alert. Question all dismissive analyses.

5 posted on 05/17/2002 11:13:11 AM PDT by Shermy
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Thanks for the heads up and for sharing your analysis!

Indeed, the cropduster method could be used with a variety of biochem WMDs. The fact that Iraq was named in the state of the union address for WMDs and the fact that both England and the US are hard at work on smallpox vaccines --- taken together indicates to me that we should be looking beyond anthrax and beyond al Queda.

6 posted on 05/17/2002 11:49:01 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Shermy
"Keep alert. Question all dismissive analyses."

Good advice; America is at war.

So is the media. Against Bush and Republicans, it would seem.

7 posted on 05/17/2002 3:34:42 PM PDT by okie01
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To: Shermy; keri; Nogbad; The Great Satan; okie01; aristeides; muawiyah; Alamo-Girl; right_to_defend...
See the LA Times article "New Crop-Dusting Restrictions Weighed", from Sept. 25, 2001. [Click on the link to read the whole article.]

Here are four of the points I found of particular interest [paraphrased], and a question:

Here's the question: Has anybody seen figures on the size of the particles in the anthrax mailed to Sen. Leahy (which was said to be finer than any previously known)?
8 posted on 05/17/2002 8:48:06 PM PDT by Mitchell
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No one knows what size the anthrax particles were when mailed - only what they were when received.

This stuff was so finely separated that we have had reports that it was down to a single spore!

Ken Abilek has suggested that highspeed mail processing equipment may have ground the powder even finer. Letters start and stop repeatedly, at high speeds, in this equipment. It only makes sense that this would affect the contents.

9 posted on 05/17/2002 8:56:45 PM PDT by muawiyah
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This stuff was so finely separated that we have had reports that it was down to a single spore!

Yes, I recall the reports were that some spores were coated individually (with an unnamed chemical that was described as surprising). I looked up the size of an anthrax spore; CDC says 2-6 microns, other sources say 1 micron.

I would guess that a 15-micron nozzle might work; it seems a little large, but maybe that would prevent clogging?

Anyway, it sounds like pesticide-spraying planes with small nozzles are of much greater concern than standard crop-dusters.

10 posted on 05/17/2002 9:05:37 PM PDT by Mitchell
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I forgot to mention that I doubt that the small particle size was due to the mail-processing equipment. The equipment might break up particles into finer particles, but I don't think it would coat the newly-formed tiny particles individually.
11 posted on 05/17/2002 9:08:46 PM PDT by Mitchell
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To: Mitchell
Thanks for the information and the heads up!
12 posted on 05/17/2002 9:54:48 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Mitchell
Thanks for the information, which is so detailed and interesting. This relates to an earlier post of yours where you said that it would be significant if one could find evidence of testing dispersal equipment.
13 posted on 05/17/2002 10:25:29 PM PDT by BlackVeil
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To: Mitchell
Recognize also that cropdusting equipment presumes the active ingredients will be dissolved in some liquid medium (e.g., water) in order to properly disperse the contents.

The dilution rate for tractor drawn spraying equipment is in the order of 30:1. In aerial spraying, the dilution rate is something less (5 or 10:1). Accordingly, whatever is to be sprayed will be a.) in liquid format and b.) diluted with water (or some other solvent).

These conditions may or may not be conducive to anthrax in coated powder form. But they may be particularly suitable to some other biological or chemical agent.

14 posted on 05/17/2002 11:00:07 PM PDT by okie01
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To: Mitchell
The use of aircraft (e.g. crop dusters) is one way to deploy chemical and biological weapons. But as has been correctly noted in this tread it can be complicated based on the type and quality of agent, nozzle technology (often a big problem), wind and other factors which may degrade the effect. The point is that al-Qaeda was clearly investigating this. Whether it is an effective terrorist method or whether or not it was ultimately used is another matter.
15 posted on 05/18/2002 12:18:27 AM PDT by Ordinary_American
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To: okie01
One continues to wonder why, in the face of all this circumstantial evidence, the FBI still appears to be focussed on the lone domestic terrorist theory.
16 posted on 05/18/2002 12:30:23 AM PDT by Ordinary_American
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To: Mitchell
Still, the guy I am citing formerly was Deputy of the USSR biological warfare operation. He knows what he is talking about.

For purposes of discussion we must presume that neither you nor I have tried this! An experiment would seem to be in order.

17 posted on 05/18/2002 4:28:49 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Ordinary_American
The FBI hasn't said anything about a lone domestic terrorist lately.

The only people still pushing that line are "newsies" in thrall to NARAL, Planned Parenthood and NOW, but even those gangs of ghouls and harpies have been remarkably silent the last few months.

18 posted on 05/18/2002 4:31:57 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Mitchell
Oh, yes, the "coating" - they haven't told us what it was. Early on there was speculation that it was the same stuff Saddam Hussein used, and every now and then someone with a Middle-Eastern ISP address comes in here and claims that it was or was not. We can only guess who those folks really are.

These were standard USPS envelopes purchased at the counterline. The only thing that's on the inside of the envelope is cellulose and lignan. Since these envelopes are always traditionally purchased from the lowest cost bidder, it's entirely possible that the lignan content was lower than normal - almost to the point where the paper fibers would begin pulling apart if subjected to stress. (USPS used to peddle high linen content envelopes, but that's been years ago.)

Notice that the sender wrapped each envelope in clear plastic packing tape (probably that standard stuff 3M makes). It's possible the sender knew this stuff leaked through envelopes. Maybe it had been tested earlier!

Assuming normal rate of decay in the USPS envelopes, which is probably pretty high once they are in use, the powder would have had a rough surface against which to grind as the piece moved through the system. Unless the terrorists put some other additive in the batch, the only coating available would be cellulose.

Cellulose and agar-agar are essentially the same material, with agar-agar being considered almost purely cellulose. Agar-agar is used as a fixitive in labatory activities. You add water you get jello! Add cream, you get fake ice-cream. Add some sulfur and potassium nitrate, and you get something akin to nitroglycerin - keep that in mind.

If it's just cellulose coating those particles, the investigators would have been surprised but not startled since that's one of the most common materials to be found in any laboratory (to say nothing of the insides of envelopes).

By the way, does anyone know how hard or abbrasive anthrax spores are? Are we talking something with the qualities of feldspar, or something more like diamond dust?

19 posted on 05/18/2002 4:45:49 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
Your posts are so informative and detailed. I'm in the middle of Alibek's book "Biohazard"--a real eye-opener. It is astounding to realize the extent to which our enemies are willing to invest money and brainpower to develop these chem/bio weapons for the sole purpose of killing Americans. Decades of research. Innocent local-population experiments. Secret labs to rival that of Dexter himself. ;o) What organisms case the most horrific deaths? Which might cause long-term fatal illnesses? How can this particular germ be modified to be easily dispersed from a warhead?

Be ever vigilant, for there are many whose sole focus in life is to kill us.

20 posted on 05/18/2002 5:23:21 AM PDT by shezza
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