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Peggy Noonan: Dubya's New Deal
Opinion Journal ^ | 05/17/2002 | Peggy Noonan

Posted on 05/16/2002 9:10:34 PM PDT by Pokey78

Edited on 04/23/2004 12:04:29 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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To: MissAmericanPie
Bush has toss'ed his base out in the cold by far more than a hundred votes.

think 2004 will be a very interesting election given the Democrats habit of stuffing a couple of million bogus votes in the ballot boxes and given that a small, but possibly critical, percentage of the base will go fishing that day.

The certifiably stupid will act this way. But I'll tell this part of the "base" this right here, right now:

If you purposefully and willfully fail to support G. W. Bush in '04 and another RAT wins the White House, SHUT YOUR MOUTHS.

Don't criticize anything they do. Do not utter a sound when one or two far-Leftists get nominated and seated in the SCOTUS.

You will have sold out, not only yourselves, but the country as a whole because you KNOW what the RATS will do. Your political naïveté is simply appalling.

Again, if you don't support Dubya in '04, shut your pieholes. You will have forfeited your right to criticize because you will have then put in place the government you wanted.

61 posted on 05/18/2002 9:06:40 AM PDT by rdb3
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To: MissAmericanPie
I think 2004 will be a very interesting election given the Democrats habit of stuffing a couple of million bogus votes in the ballot boxes and given that a small, but possibly critical, percentage of the base will go fishing that day.

Then the Democrats win it all, Bush is a one-term President and we probably get another Clinton in the White House. Based on your professed disgust with GW Bush, this should please you. What's the problem? You won't have to listen to Bush or even hear his name anymore. Seems like a win-win for the Bush-haters like you. Smile.

62 posted on 05/18/2002 9:13:27 AM PDT by Jim Scott
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To: rdb3
Again, if you don't support Dubya in '04, shut your pieholes.

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What obligation does Bush have in this logic other than not to be Hillary Clinton? The country needs more than that to survive.

63 posted on 05/18/2002 9:17:10 AM PDT by RLK
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To: Jeff Chandler
I don't know what has happened to this terribly intelligent woman lately. Maybe I over estimated her. She's an incredibly talented wordsmith. Maybe that's as far as it goes.

I'll bet if she started blasting President Bush day and night you would suddenly find her supremely intelligent.
Your bias is laughably obvious, making your judgements useless.

64 posted on 05/18/2002 9:19:02 AM PDT by Jim Scott
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To: RLK
This analogy is ridiculous. In WWII we had to build entire large armies, navies, and air forces starting with nothing. We had millions of men in uniform actively fighting a war. Today we have a very very limited effort. There are no Normandy invasions...

I think this analogy is right on. We may not have to build entire armies, navies and air forces, but we have to deal with something more insidious, and more unsettling for the public at large, and that is preventing another massacre like 9/11.

Most people think that another one is probably just around the corner, and they are not easily dismissing the profound and difficult nature of this war. They will approve anything the President suggests is necessary. The base can opt out of voting, but they won't make that much of difference, because the center is holding. If they want a shot at peddling their influence they'd better grow up, and realize that politics is war without bloodshed, but yet a contact sport, not an evening at the debate club.

65 posted on 05/18/2002 9:27:27 AM PDT by Aedammair
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To: Jim Scott
Your bias is laughably obvious, making your judgements useless.

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Is there any way to coax you and others here from disnissing observation and analysis as a form of bias?

66 posted on 05/18/2002 9:29:31 AM PDT by RLK
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To: RLK
I'll repeat: Again, if you don't support Dubya in '04, shut your pieholes.
67 posted on 05/18/2002 9:29:35 AM PDT by rdb3
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To: Jim Scott
I'll bet if she started blasting President Bush day and night you would suddenly find her supremely intelligent.
Your bias is laughably obvious, making your judgements useless.

Boy, have you ever missed the mark with that one. As a matter of fact I'm a huge Peggy Noonan fan. I just think her recent columns haven't been worthy of her enormous talent.

As for Bush, I voted for the man. I am not pleased with the way he has been crapping on his base, and I think his "give'em anything they ask for and smile when they kick you" attitude towards the Dems is a mistake. If the average Joe Sixpack isn't paying attention to the beltine battles, as Noonan suggests, why would they be paying attention if W stood up for conservative principles? My belief is that people will respect you if you stand up for yourself. We've been waiting since 1996 for the Pubbies to defend themselves, and we're still waiting. Or are are they all just politicians like the liberals?

68 posted on 05/18/2002 9:31:40 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler
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To: rdb3
I'll repeat: Again, if you don't support Dubya in '04, shut your pieholes.

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Repetition of argument doesn't work like prayer. If the original content is doubtful, repeating it doesn't improve the content. To the case in point, achieving 90% destructiveness by threatening someone with 95% destructiveness isn't presenting much improvement. Acceptance of the 90% only teaches there is no need for improvement in performance.

69 posted on 05/18/2002 9:40:12 AM PDT by RLK
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To: Jeff Chandler
Or are are they all just politicians like the liberals?

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Many are politicians. Many are just plain lost and in over their heads in anything demanding functioning grey matter.

70 posted on 05/18/2002 9:43:17 AM PDT by RLK
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To: RLK
Repetition of argument doesn't work like prayer.

Who said the repetition of prayer works? Christ taught specifically against this.

At any rate, you didn't refute what I said. If you elect a RAT to the White House (by omission for not supporting Dubya), then you forfeit your right to criticize the RATSin my book. Your inaction would have helped elect them.

And like it or not, I'll repeat this over and over again because it's true.

71 posted on 05/18/2002 9:52:46 AM PDT by rdb3
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To: RLK
If it had not been for Hitler's neurotic erraticism, Germany would have won the war.

Hitler was not a warrior, he was a politician. That is why Germany lost war.

72 posted on 05/18/2002 9:54:30 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler
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To: Jeff Chandler
the war.
73 posted on 05/18/2002 9:55:10 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler
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To: rdb3
I will not shut my "pie hole" if a Demoncrat is elected. I will continue to bash the government at every turn, and the Republican Party that only runs RINO candidates. Even a scum bag like Clinton signed the Welfare Reform Bill, that Bush, under no pressure, has taken upon himself to dismantle. Bush has his minority voters to see him through. And even if he doesn't who will notice the difference in this Anti-American federal government? Not me.

Wake up and realize the voting booth has become a dead end, whose only function is to slap RINO's in the face with their loss due to the write in candidates of Independent voters such as myself. You may even come to realize I am doing far more good in preserving conservative values than you ever will by falling in lock step and voting for yet another open border, illegal alien pimping, sovereignty assassin.

My child is at risk now, every time he leaves the front door it may be the last time I see him uninjured or alive. You are insane if you think I will vote for more of the same.

74 posted on 05/18/2002 9:59:54 AM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: rdb3
You and others are giving me the choice between death by lethal injection or the electric chair. The ultimate outcome seems to be the same. That ain't much choice, bub. I'm innocent and want a different lawyer than Bush.

Let's make a deal. You repeat what you said and add this on at the end and we can go on all day.

75 posted on 05/18/2002 10:02:53 AM PDT by RLK
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To: MissAmericanPie
You are insane if you think I will vote for more of the same.

That dog don't hunt.

The system is the system. If you don't like it, too bad. The only way to get what you seemingly (and whiningly) want is full revolution. But I doubt that you will pick up a weapon.

You complain now. Just wait for another RAT to sit in The Oval Office. And who bears the blame?

Just look in the mirror, tuts.

76 posted on 05/18/2002 10:05:45 AM PDT by rdb3
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To: rdb3
During the Republican dabates between McCain, Bush, and Keyes, Keyes, being the only intelligent adult in the race, make a point about involuntary servitude. McCain and Bush refused to address the point, but instead drowned Keyes out and laughed it off. That told me what Bush was then.
77 posted on 05/18/2002 10:07:55 AM PDT by RLK
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To: Jeff Chandler
Hitler was not a warrior, he was a politician. That is why Germany lost war.

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That's about it. A politician and a little nuts to boot.

78 posted on 05/18/2002 10:10:46 AM PDT by RLK
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To: Tauzero
Well this is interesting. Comparing a Republican president to FDR is now considered praise?

It could have been worse. She could have made some favorable comparisons to LBJ, you know.

BTTTBA.

79 posted on 05/18/2002 10:12:50 AM PDT by Jesse
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To: RLK
Ah, yes. The unelectable Alan Keyes gets a high five.

Naïveté, thy name is RLK. Right now, I number you (and many others here) among the RATS. Your gripes are no different.

Have a jacked up day.

80 posted on 05/18/2002 10:13:04 AM PDT by rdb3
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