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And These Are Republicans?
Wall St. Journal ^ | May 16, 2002 | STEPHEN MOORE

Posted on 05/16/2002 1:02:18 AM PDT by The Raven

Edited on 04/22/2004 11:46:31 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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To: Badray
Are these the Republicans that you are so proud of? The ones who follow the principles of the party - like smaller government and lower taxes?

I think its pretty clear, Americans are overtaxed and it is that excessive taxation that is driving the funding of the bloated bureaucracy in Wash-DC. We American's that support, a strong policy of fiscal restraint, don't agree with the type of spending increases we've witnessed over the last several Congressional sessions. The Republican Congress of 1995 actually cut spending and that type of Congressional responsibility has been sorely missed in recent years. I support economic policy that cuts taxes on working Americans and reduces the growth of government.

As I told you a few days ago, I support and vote for the most principled conservative candidate available. It's clear, not everyone in the House and Senate are conservative minded enough and serious about fiscal responsiblity. While that applies mainly to lawmakers on the leftwing, it also includes Republicans, who do not follow the agenda of the Republican Platform.

However, that doesn't mean, every Congressmen should be held to an absolute standard either. There are political forces that bend and shape how any elected official, may vote on certain legislation. Again, politics is about human nature and human interaction, it isn't about perfection or absolute standards. Politics is also about winning elective victory, so you can advance your agenda.

If more conservatives were elected to public office, it would help turn the tide of liberal-social policies, that have given us, excessive taxation and an ever expanding federal government. However, conservative-republicans don't constitute a majority in the House or the Senate and therefore, the influence conservative-republicans have on legislation is limited.

Your negativity and pessimism towards every elected officials and all of government is excessive and extreme. Its one thing to be vigilant, its another to condemn every elected official. Your malevolent and cynical nature isn't appreciated.

21 posted on 05/16/2002 10:48:56 AM PDT by Reagan Man
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To: The Raven
Thanks Raven,

The WSJ is right on the ball with this article.

22 posted on 05/16/2002 11:02:08 AM PDT by WhiteGuy
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To: Uncle Bill
Wow, you've outdone yourself!
23 posted on 05/16/2002 11:04:23 AM PDT by WhiteGuy
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To: agitator
That's 384,000 of those nice, fully paid, bran-spankin-new $250,000 houses EVERY YEAR for that social welfare budget.

Thanks for putting that in perspective. You could take it further (384,000 families * ~4 = ~1.5 million population, or 3 cities like Des Moines) -- but I've seen enough.

24 posted on 05/16/2002 11:27:43 AM PDT by meadsjn
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To: Zack Nguyen
This is still more evidence of the extreme disconnect that exists between the Republican leadership and the conservative grassroots that are the hands and feet of the party. Quite simply, the Republican leadership in Washington (and in state capitols across America) is very uncomfortable with the principles of the those that put them in office.

19 posted on 5/16/02 8:21 AM Pacific by Zack Nguyen

I'd nominate that for the Quote of the Day, at the least

25 posted on 05/16/2002 11:36:27 AM PDT by meadsjn
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To: meadsjn
Well thank you!
26 posted on 05/16/2002 11:47:45 AM PDT by Zack Nguyen
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To: The Raven
Smoke and mirrors, I've long thought. Mouth a few banalities, slogans to get re-elected, then go back to the swamp to spend and spend. The cynicism about the state of our political system is fully warranted, me thinks. To believe that electing a Repub dog catcher here and a sewer commisioner there will lead to a solution is foolishness.
27 posted on 05/16/2002 12:58:28 PM PDT by Revolting cat!
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To: Zack Nguyen
Don't thank me. You'll never get invited to a precinct caucus speaking the truth like that.
28 posted on 05/16/2002 1:17:39 PM PDT by meadsjn
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To: Reagan Man
politics is about human nature and human interaction, it isn't about perfection or absolute standards. Politics is also about winning elective victory, so you can advance your agenda

Yes, human nature and human interaction. It really is so much about perceptions.....

GWB knows this and is, as a President, an honest, decent version of Bill Clinton in a lot of ways.

29 posted on 05/16/2002 1:20:29 PM PDT by RJCogburn
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To: WhiteGuy
Hmmm....I wonder if they're using public policy instead of campaign finance contributions, just like the Dems. You know..."Vote for me and I'll bring all this money your way"
30 posted on 05/16/2002 1:54:24 PM PDT by The Raven
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To: The Raven
The RNC has for 8 years or so been intervening into republican primaries and donating lots of money to liberal republicans, especially when a strong conservative is in the race. Under Ronald Reagan it was taboo for the national party to get involved in primary races. Not any more, the national party has an agenda and it does not match our agenda. We are not welcome in the party in reality. Yet they depend on us to get elected and we are much stronger than other groups in the party that are favored instead.

In the summer of 1980 after Ronald Reagan had dominated the primaries and had the nomination locked up but before the actual republican convention occurred the most prominent republican other than reagan at the time was jerry ford, the ex-president. Ford held a press conference and told the world that reagan was an unstable character who needed to be replaced. This was after the primaries. Ford was trying to sabotage his own party's chances of winning the election because a conservative republican had won the primary. That's the republican leaders for you.

We are fools to keep voting republican. Instead we need to be selective. Vote Republican sometimes, vote democrat sometimes, vote 3'rd party sometimes, depending on the race. We should vote against liberal and moderate republicans always even if it means voting for a liberal dem. Otherwise, the republican party will in fact walk all over the conservatives and the two parties will not compete with one another to serve the americans as the americans would like.

31 posted on 05/16/2002 1:59:45 PM PDT by Red Jones
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To: RLK
BTTT
32 posted on 05/16/2002 2:08:22 PM PDT by Uncle Bill
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To: The Raven
Wow! This thread got a lot of attention. I can't even get it to load all the way...

Have to agree with you and Mr. Moore here, Raven. This is not good...

33 posted on 05/16/2002 2:09:01 PM PDT by Molly Pitcher
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To: RJCogburn
No. Maybe they just run to the bathroom and puke when they read such patronizing, masturbatory [sic] comments.
34 posted on 05/16/2002 2:12:57 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: The Raven
Articles like this make me feel like a fool working so hard in 93 to help the GOP take control of Congress. No more.
35 posted on 05/16/2002 2:13:50 PM PDT by jpsb
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To: WhiteGuy
The WSJ is right on the ball with this article.

Easy, cowboy. It's a guest editorial on the op-ed page.

36 posted on 05/16/2002 2:16:07 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: WhiteGuy
BTTT
37 posted on 05/16/2002 3:16:30 PM PDT by Uncle Bill
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK
You PLAY ALOT of monopoly dont you?

Yeah, the money he's talking about is almost as much as rent for a hotel on Boardwalk.

Tuor

38 posted on 05/16/2002 3:19:51 PM PDT by Tuor
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To: Red Jones
You're correct.
39 posted on 05/16/2002 3:20:55 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: The Raven
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40 posted on 05/16/2002 3:36:38 PM PDT by hattend
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