Posted on 04/25/2002 10:21:56 AM PDT by oursacredhonor
Congressman Ron Paul yesterday voted to uphold welfare reform laws that revoked the eligibility of most legal immigrants to receive food stamps. Paul joined more than 170 of his House colleagues in opposing legislation that would loosen eligibility requirements and force American taxpayers to fund food stamp programs for recent immigrants.
"The welfare state, not immigration per se, is the real culprit behind many of the social ills attributed to immigration," Paul stated. "America should welcome immigrants from around the world who want to come to this country, work hard, and create a better life for themselves. The hardworking immigrants who built this nation before any welfare system existed truly exemplified American ideals. Our current welfare state, however, distorts incentives by enabling recent immigrants to obtain taxpayer-funded benefits like food stamps. This system often attracts the wrong kind of immigrants and causes understandable resentment among taxpayers."
"Only by ending welfare can we insure that immigrants come to America for the right reasons," Paul concluded. "New immigrants should seek freedom and opportunity, not government handouts. Sensible immigration policies start with sensible welfare reform policies."
There are many of us in the Libertarian party that are strongly against open borders. No one agrees with 100% of any political party's platform.
Obviously you don't live in California. Here they get the whole enchilada of social services because they all have false documents. We lucky Californians get to pay for everything!
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Incorrect. He is a libertarian. He is not a Libertarian. He is a Republican. He may be a republican also.
I am a Libertarian, and a libertarian. I do not support open borders. Your conclusions are incorrect, as is your logical methodology.
I didn't say that. I said "he is a libertarian, but not a Libertarian.
It can't be true and false at the same time.But maybe you know something that I don't.
Clearly. It has to do with upper and lower cases. It changes the meaning. And it isn't nit picking. It changes the meaning in an important way.
I do know that Ron Paul is a Libertarian who ran as a Republican because he couldn't get elected with the Libertarian label.
Incorrect. He is a libertarian who ran as a Republican, and the reason for that can only be speculated upon. Since he didn't run as a Libertarian, we can never know whether or not he could have been elected as such. It seems reasonable that he didn't think so at the time.
In Calif. most Democrats are Socialists,etc.
Not necessarily, we don't even know if they are democrats.
In any case, assumptions about what one believes because of their affiliations are fraught with the danger of being erroronous. By your measure, you would believe in every single plank of the Republican Platform if you call yourself a Republican. In 1996 Bob Dole admitted that he hadn't even read the Republican platform. It was a good thing, he told the truth for a change.
I have asked anyone who can, to prove to me that Ron Paul advocates open borders, ie. no immigration laws. So far, no one can. They have only done what you have done, assumed.
I remain of the opinion that Paul does believe in immigration laws. Probably not the ones currently in force.
Thank you
Nonetheless,your "logical positivisim" can trap you into complete skepticism where you could end up believing nothing without empirical evidence.For example,can you prove that Moses existed? What proof do you have of his existence other than hearsay evidence? Can you prove that 2 plus 2 equals 4 in a planet outside the galaxy,or do you just assume apriori that the principle of arithmatic is the same everywhere in the universe?
The same cannot be said unfortunately for your comments, which I will leave to the judgement of anyone reading them.
They are, btw, quite off topic. Have a nice weekend.
That comment is also interesting. I thought Ron Paul was the most libertarian member of the House of Reps...not the most conservative member.
That doesn't sound very libertarian to me.
No one agrees with 100% of any political party's platform.
That's definitely true for Republicans and Democrats, because neither of those parties is founded on a specific principle. The Libertarian Party IS founded on a specific principle. For others who might not be aware of it:
"We hold that all individuals have the right to exercise sole dominion over their own lives, and have the right to live in whatever manner they choose, so long as they do not forcibly interfere with the equal right of others to live in whatever manner they choose."--From the LP membership card
The last I checked, I support 100% (every plank) of the Libertarian Party platform.
Mark (Libertarian Party, accept no substitutes!)(Except Ron Paul is fine.)
It was pointed out to me that Ron Paul is a card-carrying member of the Libertarian Party. The person who pointed that out to me thought that made him a Libertarian...as well as a libertarian. In my mind, that's a tough call. But I'm sure he's REGISTERED as a Republican...so I tend to agree with you that he's a more of a libertarian than a Libertarian.
Mark (Libertarian and libertarian)
P.S. And (of course) I support open borders (no numerical limits on immigration). As a Libertarian (and a libertarian) I understand that a person owning one piece of land does NOT give him any right to say who may own the adjacent piece of land.
Could you list them for us? magazine you
End the welfare entitlement for everyone. End Social Security. End Medicare and Medicaid. End every single federal program that is not allowed by the Constitution. (And then end the U.S. Postal Service, on top of that.)
Mark (Libertarian Party...accept no substitutes.)
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