Posted on 03/11/2002 4:40:12 PM PST by Asmodeus
DOWNING OF TWA FLIGHT 800
Is there proof of missile?
Investigator releases new evidence
Tuesday April 27, 1999
This is the first of a three-part series on the downing of TWA Flight 800.
By David M. Bresnahan
© 1999 WorldNetDaily.com
A former naval officer says the Clinton administration has evidence to prove TWA Flight 800 was downed by a missile and is doing all it can to cover it up.
[excerpts][emphasis added]
More than 100 eyewitnesses interviewed by the FBI all describe seeing a missile, says retired Navy Cmdr. William S. Donaldson III, a former military crash investigator, trained flight controller and expert investigator.
For the past two years Donaldson has headed up a private investigation of the controversial crash. He is now convinced a missile brought down TWA Flight 800 causing the death of 230 people on July 17, 1996.
During his two years of private investigation, Cmdr. Donaldson and a group of retired aviation specialists have interviewed over 100 witnesses who saw what they claim was a missile rise from the water and hit TWA Flight 800. Those witnesses were also interviewed by the FBI.
The witnesses were located in a full circle around the crash site on four aircraft, 19 boats, and 31 locations on shore. Many of the witnesses have expertise which would enable them to distinguish a missile from a burning aircraft.
"Their live testimony alone will prove the aircraft was shot down”, Donaldson told WorldNetDaily in an exclusive interview. "This is why the Justice Department has kept air crash investigators away from witnesses for two and a half years."
He said he blames the lack of proper questions by the FBI on "lack of skill as an investigator." He said he did not believe the agents were purposely trying to cover anything up. In fact, he said some of the agents were genuinely excited about what they were being told. That enthusiasm soon died. They were told to investigate only the evidence which supported the government claim of a center wing tank explosion, not a missile, according to FBI agents who cooperated with Donaldson's investigation. [end excerpts] Click here for the entire article.
Testimony To The Congressional Subcommittee on Aviation of Commander William S. Donaldson III, USN (ret.)
Thursday, May 6, 1999
[excerpts][emphasis added]
Mr. DUNCAN. When you have an incident like this, do you think this was some sort of terrorist group? I mean, somebody usually claims credit for something like this.
Commander DONALDSON. Yes, sir, and I think the credit was there. If you would check closely, there was an Arab newspaper in Washington and one in London that received a communique about 6 hours before 800 was shot down. It was a really weird one. They took credit for the Riyadh bombing using some new name, they always come up with a new name, which had happened in November of 1995. And then in two sentences they took a shot at President Clinton calling him silly or something.
And then they said the American people are going to be shocked at where we attack next, where and when we attack next, we are going to attack at dawn, and isn't dawn near? The airplane went down at 8:30 at night but in Mecca, it was dawn. And it was dawn the next day. That is a coded-there are people in this-I don't want to get-take too much of your time, but the bottom line is the President of the United States is the most informed person in the world. I am sitting here personally telling you that I believe that he knows things that he hasn't been honest to the American people about, about Flight 800.
Mr. LIPINSKI. It would seem to me that if I was President of the United States and if a U.S. plane got shot down by a missile from some surrogate that was representing Iran and I had that information, based upon the history of this people in this country and the way that people react, I would certainly announce that to everyone here showing that this country is under attack, and it usually enhances the person that is in office as far as all of the public opinion polls go.
And he probably could have even gone out and shot a few more rockets into Iran that would have increased his popularity with the American people. That is the connection that I can't make. I don't know why the President of the United States would choose to cover this up in an election campaign when, it would seem to me that based upon our history, it has always been advantageous for the president of this country to be under attack during a presidential election campaign.
Commander DONALDSON. Let me make a quick analogy with Pearl Harbor. Twice as many civilians died on Flight 800 as died at Pearl Harbor when the Japanese attacked. I think the number was 111 civilians. There were almost 2,000 military or whatever.
But the point is- an attack like this is not just a normal terrorist attack. That is a major act of war. And all of a sudden you are running up a-you are getting me to speculate on what the President should or shouldn't have done. I am just telling you that I have other information that I can't talk about that I can relay to you in private.
Mr. TRAFICANT. Let me intervene. I am not attempting to discredit you. I am just letting you know that everything that you presented to us was, in fact, investigated thoroughly.
Commander DONALDSON. And I want to say it was shared candidly, honestly; and I told you I didn't know all the facts. I didn't. You have to remember, especially when you are on the outside, you have got to fight, you have got to do everything you can to get to the facts. And in the last 3 or 4 months, the facts have been overwhelming.
I have interviewed these people on boats all the way around that engagement. I am as positive as I am taking my next breath that aircraft was engaged with a missile. It was seen by dozens of extremely credible people. [end excerpts] Click here for the entire transcript.
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Reed Irvine of Accuracy In Media was a supporter of the recently deceased Bill Donaldson [and recently targeted for a Flight 800 hoax]. Click here
Has Reed Irvine ever been provided with copies of those eyewitness interviews? If so, will he either publish them at this time or advise in AIM’s next Weekly Column where they can be examined by the public?
DOWNING OF TWA FLIGHT 800
Is there proof of missile?
Investigator releases new evidence
Tuesday April 27, 1999
This is the first of a three-part series on the downing of TWA Flight 800.
By David M. Bresnahan
© 1999 WorldNetDaily.com
A former naval officer says the Clinton administration has evidence to prove TWA Flight 800 was downed by a missile and is doing all it can to cover it up.
[excerpts][emphasis added]
More than 100 eyewitnesses interviewed by the FBI all describe seeing a missile, says retired Navy Cmdr. William S. Donaldson III, a former military crash investigator, trained flight controller and expert investigator.
For the past two years Donaldson has headed up a private investigation of the controversial crash. He is now convinced a missile brought down TWA Flight 800 causing the death of 230 people on July 17, 1996.
During his two years of private investigation, Cmdr. Donaldson and a group of retired aviation specialists have interviewed over 100 witnesses who saw what they claim was a missile rise from the water and hit TWA Flight 800. Those witnesses were also interviewed by the FBI.
The witnesses were located in a full circle around the crash site on four aircraft, 19 boats, and 31 locations on shore. Many of the witnesses have expertise which would enable them to distinguish a missile from a burning aircraft.
"Their live testimony alone will prove the aircraft was shot down”, Donaldson told WorldNetDaily in an exclusive interview. "This is why the Justice Department has kept air crash investigators away from witnesses for two and a half years."
He said he blames the lack of proper questions by the FBI on "lack of skill as an investigator." He said he did not believe the agents were purposely trying to cover anything up. In fact, he said some of the agents were genuinely excited about what they were being told. That enthusiasm soon died. They were told to investigate only the evidence which supported the government claim of a center wing tank explosion, not a missile, according to FBI agents who cooperated with Donaldson's investigation. [end excerpts] Click here for the entire article.
Testimony To The Congressional Subcommittee on Aviation of Commander William S. Donaldson III, USN (ret.)
Thursday, May 6, 1999
[excerpts][emphasis added]
Mr. DUNCAN. When you have an incident like this, do you think this was some sort of terrorist group? I mean, somebody usually claims credit for something like this.
Commander DONALDSON. Yes, sir, and I think the credit was there. If you would check closely, there was an Arab newspaper in Washington and one in London that received a communique about 6 hours before 800 was shot down. It was a really weird one. They took credit for the Riyadh bombing using some new name, they always come up with a new name, which had happened in November of 1995. And then in two sentences they took a shot at President Clinton calling him silly or something.
And then they said the American people are going to be shocked at where we attack next, where and when we attack next, we are going to attack at dawn, and isn't dawn near? The airplane went down at 8:30 at night but in Mecca, it was dawn. And it was dawn the next day. That is a coded-there are people in this-I don't want to get-take too much of your time, but the bottom line is the President of the United States is the most informed person in the world. I am sitting here personally telling you that I believe that he knows things that he hasn't been honest to the American people about, about Flight 800.
Mr. LIPINSKI. It would seem to me that if I was President of the United States and if a U.S. plane got shot down by a missile from some surrogate that was representing Iran and I had that information, based upon the history of this people in this country and the way that people react, I would certainly announce that to everyone here showing that this country is under attack, and it usually enhances the person that is in office as far as all of the public opinion polls go.
And he probably could have even gone out and shot a few more rockets into Iran that would have increased his popularity with the American people. That is the connection that I can't make. I don't know why the President of the United States would choose to cover this up in an election campaign when, it would seem to me that based upon our history, it has always been advantageous for the president of this country to be under attack during a presidential election campaign.
Commander DONALDSON. Let me make a quick analogy with Pearl Harbor. Twice as many civilians died on Flight 800 as died at Pearl Harbor when the Japanese attacked. I think the number was 111 civilians. There were almost 2,000 military or whatever.
But the point is- an attack like this is not just a normal terrorist attack. That is a major act of war. And all of a sudden you are running up a-you are getting me to speculate on what the President should or shouldn't have done. I am just telling you that I have other information that I can't talk about that I can relay to you in private.
Mr. TRAFICANT. Let me intervene. I am not attempting to discredit you. I am just letting you know that everything that you presented to us was, in fact, investigated thoroughly.
Commander DONALDSON. And I want to say it was shared candidly, honestly; and I told you I didn't know all the facts. I didn't. You have to remember, especially when you are on the outside, you have got to fight, you have got to do everything you can to get to the facts. And in the last 3 or 4 months, the facts have been overwhelming.
I have interviewed these people on boats all the way around that engagement. I am as positive as I am taking my next breath that aircraft was engaged with a missile. It was seen by dozens of extremely credible people. [end excerpts] Click here for the entire transcript.
____________________________________________________________________
Reed Irvine of Accuracy In Media was a supporter of the recently deceased Bill Donaldson [and recently targeted for a Flight 800 hoax]. Click here
Has Reed Irvine ever been provided with copies of those eyewitness interviews? If so, will he either publish them at this time or advise in AIM’s next Weekly Column where they are located?
Hey, Asmodeus.. as you've been fond of saying to anyone who didn't agree with you before: ex-pert\ adj 1 obs EXPERIENCED 2 : having, involving, or displayiong special skill or knowledge derived from training or experience syn see Proficient
See also: The missile theory myth.
Don't ya just love being reminded of things you've said? Here.. take this compass and this magnet and go navigate the woods over there. Don't stop till you find the wiseman.
But will those interviews document that Bill Donaldson's witness interviews and witness report analysis were expert or inept?
REED IRVINE: [quote] He said that he had made up the story, that he had not seen the TWA 800 crash and that the Trepang was in Groton, its home port, that night. That is obviously false because the FBI has identified it as one of the three submarines off Long Island. When I indicated that I didn’t believe his retraction, he said, "That’s my story and I’m sticking to it." I took that as a warning that he would tell reporters that he had lied if I identified him as my source.
I reported this in Accuracy in Media’s newsletter, saying I did not believe his retraction. But I began to check it out. I located and interviewed five officers who served on the Trepang with Beers. The one who Beers said was on the bridge with him when TWA 800 crashed checked his records and told me that he had been transferred off the Trepang three months before the crash.
The rest were on the Trepang that night, and they all acknowledged that it was off Long Island, but they didn’t know their exact location. One of them, a navigator, said they were close to the crash site, but none saw the crash. Two were sure they began a long deployment that night. They refused to say where they went. Questioned by the FBI on their return, they told them that U.S. submarines carry no surface-to-air missiles.
All said they heard about the crash from the radio. None heard about it from Beers. He lied to me, and I regret having been deceived by him. But his lie is nothing compared to our government’s lies about TWA 800. The establishment media spread those lies. They refuse to do what I have done—check the evidence and admit that they have been deceived. [end quote] Source
Can we assume that means once stung, twice shy and that he’ll now promptly follow up on those 100+ interviews?
The Stacey/Sanders thing is more subtle, but the results were the same. But more devastating to the case. Beers had little info to offer solo. If Reed had been an expert like Elmer, he may have learned a lot through Beers and his friends, but he jumped the gun. It was Jim's responsibility to protect Stacey - at all costs. Including walking away. Stacey took his losses most gracefully, I thought. He and Beers have my utmost admiration, as does Wiemeyer. Reed and Sanders too, for at least trying. Like Russell, Donaldson, Salinger and IAN. IAN's not going to turn this tiger loose IMO. I feel Sanders understands now but was simply naive initially. Reed does not understand. I don't think he ever will.
AIM can assist the investigation by doing legwork for silent investigators, but they simply don't understand the problem. There is info people like me need but can't get whereas AIM can. A large number of people know what happened on TWA800, as on ENRON, and they want the truth to come out. Some even understand how important this is to our nation's health. [end quote]
Where's your supposed expertise, Asmodeus? And when are they going to ground all 747-400's? They haven't. Answer that.
http://www.100megspopup.com/ark/TerroristAttackAllegations.html
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