Posted on 03/03/2002 4:00:57 AM PST by Donald Stone
Edited on 09/03/2002 4:50:01 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
An Eagle Scout who was mistaken for a bank robber and shot in the face by an FBI agent in Pasadena on Friday remained in serious but stable condition at Maryland Shock Trauma Center last night.
Joseph Charles Schultz, 20, was shot at close range about 6 p.m. Friday when FBI agents searching for a bank robbery suspect pulled over his girlfriend's car.
Schultz, who lives in the 7900 block of Seabreeze Drive in Orchard Beach in Anne Arundel County and works with fiber optics for a local medical company, has no connection to the bank robbery, officials said.
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This should read FBI agents needing time to engage in fraud and chicanery so they could conjure up lies to conceal criminal conduct by fellow agents scrubbed the crime scene clean of any evidence that would implicate the FBI or it's agents in criminal conduct in a senseless shooting of an innocent man.
No matter. There is not excuse for this kind of incompetance. What next? Folks will be making excuses when the burn down churches and shoot 14-year old kids in the back.
Huh I guess you live in a perfect world where accidents or incompetance never happens.
I guess in your world there are no traffic accidents due to driver incompetance and if there was you would say there is no excuse and it is time to get rid of cars.
Most cops aren't jack booted thugs, but when they screw up they get away with it. I know of too many cases in my own locale to think different. The only one I ever saw get any time was off duty and drunk when he wasted a 16 year old. Later, while in prison, he was caught having a conjugal(sp) visit with his wife, an on-duty cop, in the back of a prison van while the guards were shopping in a local store (probably with the $$$ they had been paid for privacy. The cop wife got a reprimand and was on desk duty for a while, but then put back on the street. The Feds can get away with anything the want, including wasting mothers with infants in their arms and burning toddlers just because their parents are a little wacky. If the cops had to obey the same laws they enforce, they wouldn't get so much criticism when they screw up.
You crack me up
and on your thoughts that cash is a fixs all, you reveil why your in love, of the W O of some drugs
Its how you make your liven.
It is time for congress to eliminate this out of control bunch of murdering slim along with their ilk in the batf.
But, with the fbi holding all the files, the congress will show even less manhood in dealing with them then they did with the corrupt rapist terrorist clinton and their phony investigation of the irs.
Congress has about as much guts as the fbi has integrity. None, zip, zero!
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I suppose it is encouraging that the FBI has learned (from the Miami incident) that long arms (M4s) are a necessaty for felony stops.
For the record, I am not, nor have ever been employed by the FBI, my screen name comes from a central character in the Matrix.
I thot we were discussing the actions of the FBI. Few people hate "cops". The FBI is a federal organization that has long been above the law. As you can see here, we are not even entitled to know the mans name, that is not the case with state and local police. Most people have a strong distrust of any Federal person with the power of arrest.
Yes, some overreact. Given the description we have thus far I'm wondering whether this was a "negligent discharge" by the agent. It's easy to have this happen if one has his finger on the trigger when it shouldn't be. The combination of stress and a small inadvertant physical movement could easily account for the weapon being fired.
Further suppord for this being an "ND" is the shot wasn't centered on the head, despite a very short distance from the muzzle to the target. I believe we'll find the agent did not intend to fire. This really goes back to training, which is apparently inadequate, IMHO.
In my opinion the entire chain of command should get blasted for this - and by that I mean jail time - that 16 year old girl driver honor student must have looked like a real villian. (sarcasm) This is what I'm talking about - power - anyone with a brain would have known that they had the wrong people.
I've had a friend pulled over in very similar situations where it got very high stress very fast, for no other reason than the cops were high on their own adrenalin. The person pulled over was one of the most laid back people in the world, and is now one of the best Orthopedists in NC.
Personally, I have never had an interaction with the police or other agency (military excluded - they usually are first class) where I left with the impression that they were anything more than post office workers with an attitude and a gun. 41 years is a long time to leave me with no good examples. I've stopped believing the PR - and started to ask myself what I believe from what I see.
I cannot recall a case where agents were held accountable for unlawful or incompetent acts.
The only way for the people to have confidence in any level of law enforcement is for screw-ups to be fired and/or prosecuted. Only then can the people believe incompetence and recklessness will not be tolerated within police agencies.
That's nuts. What makes the FBI so special that they can ignore one of the cardinal rules of firearms safety? You NEVER put your finger on the trigger unless you INTEND to shoot.
The agent who pulled the trigger does not have the self-control necessary to be an FBI agent, or an armed security guard for that matter.
I'm just waiting for the FBI to blame the gun for having a weak trigger pull or some such nonsense.
Giving out information such as the name of the perp, whether or not these agents were acting on probable cause properly supervised or just freelancing, and whether or not this clown is right now walking the streets armed and dangerous is not giving out information that would prejudice to conduct of an investigation.
If I were on the jury, my sentiments would be as follows: 1. It is clear that a spineless Congress will do nothing to investigate and take effective action to put an end to FBI incompetence. 2. Therefore the only thing that is going to deter them is to give away so much of the FBI's money that even the Congress has to take notice - say about $100 Million or so of taxpayer money which could otherwise be spent on wasteful federal projects. 3. It would also be nice to find that the agents involved and their supervisors were personally financially liable for enough money to ruin their own lives - as an exaple to encourage the others.
What you describe is a Police State.
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