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Robert Torricelli intelligence reforms said to damage CIA
The Hill ^ | October 10, 2001 | J.P. Cassidy

Posted on 02/19/2002 12:15:47 PM PST by Cincinatus' Wife

The Central Intelligence Agency's ability to gather intelligence in the Middle East has been injured by reforms triggered in 1995 by then-Rep. Robert Torricelli (D-N.J.), members of the House Intelligence Committee said last week.

In the wake of disclosures by Torricelli that a Guatemalan colonel linked to the murder of an American was on the CIA payroll, the agency fired one-third of its informants - roughly 1,000 "assets" - and instituted new rules on the recruitment of sources.

Some of the assets were fired because of poor production, but others were fired for criminal activity that could have proved embarrassing to the United States if uncovered.

"The focus of Congress at the time was on Mr. Torricelli's actions and whether he had violated ethics rules, not on the CIA," said Rep. Larry Combest (R-Texas), who chaired the Intelligence Committee at the time.

Nonetheless, voters and editorial boards across the country were outraged, and President Clinton joined the fray, threatening to fire "on the spot" any CIA agent who had failed to pass along information about the colonel, Julio Roberto Alpirez.

"Sen. Torricelli feels it is imperative in a democracy for there to be some accountability within the intelligence community," spokeswoman Debra DeShong said. "The directive merely made certain that, if the United States were to engage in a relationship with someone who has committed human rights abuses, the decision would be made by a senior official."

After conducting a review of his agency's operations, Director of Central Intelligence John Deutch fired informants - including Middle Easterners - who had dirty hands and directed his field operatives to clear questionable recruits with Washington.

The so-called "agent scrub" has had a "dampening effect" on the agency's ability to gather intelligence in Afghanistan, Iran and other nations that sponsor terrorism, said Rep. Porter Goss (R-Fla.), chairman of the House Intelligence Committee.

Goss was quick to note that the extent of the damage is hard to measure, since "you don't know what you don't know."

The vice chairman of the committee, Rep. Douglas Bereuter (R-Neb.), explicitly linked current intelligence shortcomings to the reforms.

"I think you can trace it back to the Deutch guidelines," Bereuter said. "The Deutch guidelines had a devastating effect on intelligence gathering. They've had a chilling effect on the recruiting efforts of field agents. While the chiefs say that no [recruitment] request has ever been denied, it's very clear from talking to agents that they don't want to risk their reputation or promotability by promoting the recruitment of someone with dirty hands. And it is nigh impossible to penetrate these organizations unless we have people who have been involved with them."

Rep. Saxby Chambliss (R-Ga.), chairman of the Subcommittee on Terrorism and Homeland Defense, said that Deutch's reforms resulted from Torricelli's disclosures.

"The Guatemala revelations completely changed everything," Chambliss said. "They started a chain reaction that led directly to [the Deutch guidelines]."

Though Congress initially focused on Torricelli's actions, public opinion was strong enough to force several investigations into the matter.

"The pressure came from a lot of different sectors: from Congress, from the private sector, and from the intelligence community itself," said Rep. Ray LaHood (R-Ill.), who sits on the Intelligence Committee.

In the wake of the scandal, the station chief in Guatemala and the director of Latin American operations were fired, which critics say sent a message to operatives not to take recruitment risks.

Democrats on the Intelligence Committee weren't as quick to blame intelligence failures on guidelines intended to prevent human rights abuses.

"There is no one single thing they can point to and say, 'This has prevented us from recruiting,'" said Rep. Tim Roemer (D-Ind.), emphasizing that the CIA shouldn't have carte blanche. "The guidelines do need to be changed. But we can't give informants a 'get out of jail free' card. They can't be able to say, 'Hey, I'm working for the CIA' and then get away with rape, pillage and murder."

Rep. Jane Harman (D-Calif.), ranking member on the Terrorism Subcommittee, wasn't sure whether intelligence gathering in the Middle East has been injured by the reforms.

"It's hard to say how it has been affected," Harman said. "The blame game is always a favorite around here. But the important thing is preventing [terrorist attacks] from happening again."

The CIA maintains that the guidelines haven't harmed recruiting, and Torricelli, now a senator, stands by the rules. But members of the Intelligence Committee plan to introduce legislation directing the CIA to rescind them.

"I was very much opposed to what Mr. Torricelli did," Combest said.

"Intelligence gathering is a nitty-gritty, dirty business, and you have to work with the kind of people you might not have over for dinner."


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"Sen. Torricelli feels it is imperative in a democracy for there to be some accountability within the intelligence community," spokeswoman Debra DeShong said. "The directive merely made certain that, if the United States were to engage in a relationship with someone who has committed human rights abuses, the decision would be made by a senior official."

After conducting a review of his agency's operations, Director of Central Intelligence John Deutch fired informants - including Middle Easterners - who had dirty hands and directed his field operatives to clear questionable recruits with Washington.

The so-called "agent scrub" has had a "dampening effect" on the agency's ability to gather intelligence in Afghanistan, Iran and other nations that sponsor terrorism, said Rep. Porter Goss (R-Fla.), chairman of the House Intelligence Committee.

1 posted on 02/19/2002 12:15:47 PM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Torricelli intelligence reforms said to damage CIA

Ya think?

2 posted on 02/19/2002 12:18:57 PM PST by denydenydeny
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To: denydenydeny
Yeah, I think!
3 posted on 02/19/2002 12:20:49 PM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: All
(February 19, 2002)--Whitewater Prosecutor May Run For Senate Against Torricelli--A spokeswoman for Torricelli, who is seeking a second six-year term in November, said voters want to talk about issues, not investigations. "A Robert Ray candidacy would expose the Republicans to defending the entire Clinton impeachment episode and (the) extraordinary waste of resources and time, for which Mr. Starr and Mr. Ray are responsible," spokeswoman Debra DeShong said.
4 posted on 02/19/2002 12:23:59 PM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
#1. The "Torch" is a slimy, Mafia-connected traitor #2. The CIA is as close to totally worthless as it can get- only it's complete destruction would help America's intelligence-gathering effort. (Maybe we coulod contract this out to the MOSSAD?) #3. Ask me how I REALLY feel!
5 posted on 02/19/2002 2:16:54 PM PST by RANGERAIRBORNE
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To: RANGERAIRBORNE
It sounds like you like what the slimeball did.
6 posted on 02/19/2002 2:35:33 PM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Registered;Poohbah;DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet;philman_36;Southflanknorthpawsis;IanSherwood;lonestar...
And Torricelli is only part of what the Democrat party has done to our intelligence services.
7 posted on 02/19/2002 2:48:51 PM PST by LarryLied
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To: RANGERAIRBORNE
Ah, c'MON, you wanna get rid of Christians In Action?
8 posted on 02/19/2002 2:58:38 PM PST by Poohbah
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To: denydenydeny
Hey,they don't call him"The Torch"for nothin'!!!!!!!!!!!
9 posted on 02/19/2002 3:10:24 PM PST by bandleader
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To: LarryLied
And Torricelli is only part of what the Democrat party has done to our intelligence services.

Criminal !!!! Maybe you ought to ping a few "key" people, if you get my drift.....hehehehehehe

10 posted on 02/19/2002 3:21:52 PM PST by Southflanknorthpawsis
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
I don't know exactly how you extracted such a mistaken message from my post- are you the wife of a CIA bureaucrat?
11 posted on 02/19/2002 3:28:46 PM PST by RANGERAIRBORNE
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To: Southflanknorthpawsis
The Keyes supporters simply will not believe anyone but Bush is responsible for 9-11. Did ping some of them tho...hope springs eternal.
12 posted on 02/19/2002 3:50:47 PM PST by LarryLied
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To: RANGERAIRBORNE;*New_Jersey
While he was dating Bianca Jagger, he leaked sensitive information which led to the death of a CIA agent in Central America. Toricellis is a murderer.
13 posted on 02/19/2002 3:59:20 PM PST by Coleus
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To: RANGERAIRBORNE
are you the wife of a CIA bureaucrat?

No I'm not. Apparently you need to be less clever and tell me straight what you mean.

14 posted on 02/20/2002 12:45:05 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: LarryLied
...has been injured...
The so-called "agent scrub" has had a "dampening effect" on the agency's ability to gather intelligence in Afghanistan, Iran and other nations that sponsor terrorism, said Rep. Porter Goss (R-Fla.), chairman of the House Intelligence Committee.

Injured, not eliminated, killed off or destroyed. Dampening effect, not dried out.
The CIA maintains that the guidelines haven't harmed recruiting...
So what is the beef? From their own words apparently there is no problem getting recruits.

Well, just a second...While the chiefs say that no [recruitment] request has ever been denied, it's very clear from talking to agents that they don't want to risk their reputation or promotability by promoting the recruitment of someone with dirty hands. And it is nigh impossible to penetrate these organizations unless we have people who have been involved with them."
So only people with "dirty hands" can penetrate those organizations? All hands are clean until they get dirty. Nigh impossible, not impossble, which would indicate that it has been successful.
And I don't really see how an agent's "reputation or promotability" (at least we see personal priorities are in order) could be at risk by simply promoting the recruitment of someone with "dirty hands". It would seem that the person "giving the go ahead" for that person to be hired (...the decision would be made by a senior official.") would bear the brunt of the trouble, if there was any.
But like the man said..."you don't know what you don't know."
Goss was quick to note that the extent of the damage is hard to measure...
And apparently Mr. Goss doesn't really know anything either.
Getting deep...

And Torricelli is only part of what the Democrat party has done to our intelligence services.
And the Republicans have done nothing at all that might damage our intelligence services as you imply the Democrats have? Or can you simply not find anything which might cast a negative light on them? Seems like the Republicans are on the House Intelligence Committee in great numbers and watched all of this stuff transpire. They just couldn't do anything about it though eh? Outnumbered in votes and all that?
And don't go calling me no Dem shill in this either...I believe you know better.

15 posted on 02/20/2002 1:31:54 AM PST by philman_36
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To: LarryLied
The Keyes supporters...Did ping some of them tho...
Since I am one of the ones you mention pinging...There you go implying things again. You did read my other posts by now I hope. Don't lump me Larry, it belittles you.
I stand alone on this site and ask for none to defend me, nor ask for how I should stand on issues. As I've stated, I've not supported Mr. Keyes, though I do respect him.
You're getting real good at the guilt by association game too.
16 posted on 02/20/2002 1:39:02 AM PST by philman_36
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To: philman_36
Since it helped toppled Allende, the Democrat Party has been after the CIA. The GOP didn't hold the Church hearings. The GOP opposed what Stansfield Turner did to the agency. Republicans have not, en masse, voted to slash intelligence funding every year for decades. Get real. Next you'll be telling us Democrats have been loyal supporters of the military.
17 posted on 02/20/2002 5:13:36 AM PST by LarryLied
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To: LarryLied
Republicans have not, en masse, voted to slash intelligence funding every year for decades. Get real.
Nah, the Grand Old Party, aka Republicans just watched it all happen without complaining too loudly. No sense in alerting or alarming the sheeple Citizens so they could do something. Now it's too late. To me that makes them unwilling accomplices.
Next you'll be telling us Democrats have been loyal supporters of the military.
No I won't. I know that they haven't been loyal supporters of the military. Yet, under who's watch was it again that the base closings started in 1988? Seems like the GOP has it's own problems in regards to the military, if you want to "imply" things.
The GOP didn't hold the Church hearings.
No, but they sure were around. The Editors: Get Personal
I love the point about EO 12333 and if you want to really nit pick, by your reasoning former Republican President Ford should not have established the Rockefeller Commission which apparently is what started the whole thing going, yet he did. Did he really think that it wouldn't turn out the way it did when he knew his party wasn't in the majority?
Real enough for you? You just don't see any wrong in the GOP do you. Are you that loyal or that blinded?
Also, as an aside, it's funny how you switch back and forth between use of the terms GOP and Republicans, as if it were two seperate things. They aren't, are they.
18 posted on 02/20/2002 11:48:56 AM PST by philman_36
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