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Update on Underwater Megalithic
EarthFiles ^ | 11.19.01 | Linda Moulton Howe

Posted on 11/21/2001 11:08:00 AM PST by callisto

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To: janus; ValerieUSA; jlogajan; BigWaveBetty; cayuga; SuperLuminal; PoisedWoman
Bump.
61 posted on 11/21/2001 7:49:45 PM PST by blam
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To: blam
Velikovsky and others have suggested that the 1159 BC event may be related to the Biblical story of the sun going back in the sky for Yehoshua bin Nun (Joshua)...or other unusual prodigies during the Israelite Judges' time, while they were taking over and settling Canaan...

but again, this would having nothing to do with Atlantis, which had met its final destiny over 7,000 years before Joshua's time...

62 posted on 11/21/2001 8:07:33 PM PST by crystalk
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To: blam
Shows how little time I get for this sort of thing anymore; I was not even aware that the two gentlemen mentioned in the article had [purportedly] established as fact that asteroids had impacted the mid-Atlantic Ridge (I was aware of a great deal of circumstantial supportive evidence, just not any definitive agreement on dates, numbers, etc.).

I still recall a book on Atlantis which (among the dozen or so avenues of inquiry) showed the remarkable similarity of common word roots among the existing cultures on all land masses ringing the Atlantic in early history. Just that one effort, with the amazing number of identical (or nearly so) words/meanings, was enough to convince me that, not only had there been extensive interrelations among all these peoples, but that they all likely had a common origin - the diaspora of Atlantean refugees.

63 posted on 11/21/2001 8:24:22 PM PST by Le-Roy
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To: blam
BTW, keep up the good work.
64 posted on 11/21/2001 8:25:09 PM PST by Le-Roy
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To: Mr. Vega
post#15,bush makes a lot of faces,he is funny!
65 posted on 11/21/2001 8:39:20 PM PST by green team 1999
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To: spycatcher
ah,x-files section,good.
66 posted on 11/21/2001 8:40:53 PM PST by green team 1999
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To: Le-Roy
(I think this is what they're referring to)

Landscape Analysis, Stratigraphical And Geochemical Investigations Of Playa And Alluvial Fan Sediments In Tunisia And Raised Bog Deposits In Sweden: A Possible Correlation Between Extreme Climate Events And Cosmic Activity During The Late Holocene

Lars G. Franzén1 and Thomas B. Larsson2

1 Physical Geography, Department of Earth Sciences, University of Göteborg,
SE-413 81 Göteborg, Sweden, E-mail: lars@gvc.gu.se 2 Department of Archeology, University of Umea, SE-901 87 Umea, Sweden

Geomorphological signatures, and plays and alluvial fan deposits, all point at a severe flooding catastrophe in central Tunisia c. 1000 B.C.
Precipitation must have exceeded 10,000 mm in a very short period. Human activity during this period concentrated around wells, with an increased need of heating as indicated by the very frequent occurrence of unusually large fireplaces with heating stones imbedded in charcoal (Larsson and Franzen, in press).

The sediments deposited indicate severe ground frost in an initial phase, i.e. large balls of loose dune sand, imbedded in the lower part of the stratigraphies, objects which could only have been transported in a frozen form.
In spite of being found in a 5 m thick sediment sequence the fire places have the same apparent age according to 14 C-datings, indicating an extreme rate of sedimentation.
The playa investigated, Chott Nejla, is normally dried out However, after heavy floods, it is a fresh water lake, with a maximum depth of 15 m, if filled up to the thresholds. At the natural playa outlet during pluvial periods, from an archaeological point of view, a very rich site was found with signs of a perhaps continuous settlement from 9000 B.C. to Roman times, uncommon for the Capisien culture (Balout, 1955; Larsson and Franzen, in press).

The sediment sequence at the playa centre shows that the most abrupt transition from aridity to very humid conditions at 1000 B.C., was followed by a very long lake stage.
The lower lake stage sediments of this event contain glassy spherules (5-100 gm dia) with a very varying composition, from pure Fe-types to types with the same basic composition as those found in the K/T-transition (e.g. Koeberl and Sigurdsson, 1992).
Other outstanding wet periods found in the Tunisian material are 900-1000 A.D. and 1600-1700 A.D. In southern Sweden, several raised bog deposits have been investigated for their peat ash composition.
Raised bogs, which receive all nutrients from the atmosphere, is an ideal archive of atmospheric fallout, the rate of peat accumulation being rather constant and the peat being easily dated with 14 C. The investigation indicate strongly increased atmospheric circulation in rhythmically appearing periods with high peaks centred around e.g. c.2200 B.C., 1000 B.C., 400 B.C., 200 A.D., 1000 A.D. and 1600 A.D.

Harmonic analysis points at a periodicity of 570 years or 1140 years. Like in the playa deposits glassy spherules were found, having the same basic composition as the Tunisian material. In conclusion, both playa and alluvial fan deposits in Tunisia, and peat in Sweden points at a very turbulent Holocene with several sudden and dramatic climate event;, with unknown origin and extent The cultural traces indicate periods of extremely cold and humid conditions.

The spherules found could be of volcanic origin but they are not associated with any known major volcanism, and their heterogeneous composition points at other formation mechanisms e.g. cometary impacts in ocean shelf sediments.

67 posted on 11/21/2001 8:58:03 PM PST by blam
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To: callisto
Here you go. It really helps when discussions like this come up about sunken geological features or locations of past meteor strikes.

This picture is a fully rendered picture of the entire surface of the planet.

ftp://ftp.ngdc.noaa.gov/GLOBE_DEM/pictures/GLOBALeb3colshade.jpg

Warning, might take a while to load depending on your connection.

68 posted on 11/21/2001 9:04:08 PM PST by UCANSEE2
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To: blam
Natural Catastrophes during Bronze Age Civilisations: Archaeological, Geological and Astronomical Perspectives.

A conference at Fitzwilliam College. Cambridge. 11th-13th July 1997

Organised by The Society for Interdisciplinary Studies

http://www.knowledge.co.uk/sis/cambconf.htm

69 posted on 11/21/2001 9:13:03 PM PST by blam
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Many Native American nations claim descent from a land that sank beneath the ocean. The Mayans murals have been found showing people escaping from a sinking island. The Mexica (Aztecs) claim their original homeland was Aztlan. Maybe there is a reason that MesoAmericans were obsessed by the theory of cyclical destructions being visited upon them? Evidence now points to the fact that Civilization rose in the Americas before it did in Europe.
70 posted on 11/21/2001 9:29:06 PM PST by Eternal_Bear
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To: UCANSEE2
"This picture is a fully rendered picture of the entire surface of the planet."

Excellent map, added to my favorites list. Thanks.

71 posted on 11/21/2001 9:31:06 PM PST by blam
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To: UCANSEE2
Bump for reading after the Garth Brooks Live on the Enterprise special.
72 posted on 11/21/2001 9:46:25 PM PST by soundbits
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To: blam
Have read the article more leasurely now. As far as the writing is concerned, I believe there are fonts that lend themselves to being carved into wood and stone, and they bear some similarity. Runes come to mind, but some styles of Greek, Latin, and apparently Etruscan would be natural to a woodcarver with a bronze knife or a stone carver with a bronze chisel.

I hope they find Atlantis, but I suspect something else. There is a plan to find the extraterrestrial origins of life on earth --a hypothesis to be tested-- by drilling down to depths that would have been the surface a billion years ago. Most all of that is deeply buried so the present surface is relatively fresh all the time. Micrometeorite dust is still coming in at a rate that would bury everything a foot deep every million years, or something like that. I think they will eventually find completely lost cities and civilizations, very old and scattered all over the planet. I don't know how old they might be, but 50,000 years is not out of the question. Maybe more. I also suspect that technology 6000 years ago was more advanced than it was 1000 years ago. The first books I checked out of the library when I was old enough to go into the adult stacks were Velikovsky's, so I have probably been hopelessly spoiled as far as archaeology is concerned. I have seen the ruins at North Salem personally, they are very much out of place both in location and time, just like Stonehenge and the dolmens. We know people were sailing all over the planet 40,000 years ago, don't we?

An Atlantean Empire? Not likely.

Atlantis? Not likely.

Many prehistoric civilizations? Most likely.

73 posted on 11/21/2001 11:38:28 PM PST by RightWhale
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To: blam
Thanks so VERY MUCH for the ping. Awesome reading. I love this " stuff".
74 posted on 11/22/2001 4:41:59 AM PST by DreamWeaver
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To: RightWhale; prognostigator; Fitzcarraldo; Republican Extremist; Precisian; oldfart; Clara Lou...
"An Atlantean Empire? Not likely.

Atlantis? Not likely.

If you believe in numerous 'near-extinction' events, as I do (most recently at 540AD, The Dark Ages), it is amazing that any information from our distant past makes it through that 'filter(s).' Any information that survives through these events at all is amazing and likely to be very sketchy, garbled and misinterepted. (most certainly we have many things wrong.) Plutarch, visited Carthage years after it was sacked and reported seeing records in the ruins of transAtlantic trade with a great power on the western side of the Atlantic. (The Sea People?)

75 posted on 11/22/2001 5:31:22 AM PST by blam
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To: MarkWar; JerseyHighlander; laissezfirearm; teresat; Illbay
(Let's imagine Europe as a podunk, backwater outpost of the Alantean Empire based in the Americas. They would be the survivors of the disaster that snuffed out Atlantis and they would be greatly stressed themselves. Let's call them The Sea People. How would they react to the catastrophic situation?)

Sea People

The ancient Near East saw monumental changes in the 13th century BCE. The palace cultures of Crete, Mesopotamia, Canaan, and Hattu vanished en mass. Though the reasons for their disappearance remains difficult to pin down, one major factor appears to have been the migrations of the Sea Peoples.
We first hear of the Sea peoples during the reign of Merneptah (1224-1214 BCE) who describes a group of mixed ethnic affiliation attacking his Western frontier by land, and Northern flanks by Sea. The mention of Libyans among the Sea Peoples as arriving in wagon hordes with families suggest that the movements were economically motivated or the result of a large-scale famine.

The Sea Peoples are again mentioned during the reign of Merneptah’s successor Ramesses III (1182-1151 BCE) who in his eight year states:

"The foreign countries formed a conspiracy in their islands. All at once the lands were removed and scattered in the fray. No land could stand before their armies; they desolated people(s). They came toward Egypt; their confederation included the Philistines, Tjaker, Shekelesh, Danuna, and Weshesh, lands united."

Since several of the groups named do not appear also in Merneptah’s list, scholars have seen this second movement of Sea People as symptomatic of a larger Near Eastern crisis.
The Philistines, who first appear here, emerge later in the biblical record as the archenemies of the Israelites. In any event, the result of the Sea People’s attack was disastrous for Egypt, for Egypt was plunged into a sort of dark age

76 posted on 11/22/2001 6:11:11 AM PST by blam
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To: Eternal_Bear; blam
One of the things that I find interesting is that,apparently,almost every culture has a catastrophe myth. Noah and Ziusudra are only two people in a whole cast of characters that were confronted by a devastating event of world changing proportions. I suspect that something along these lines(i.e. meteor storm,crustal shift,etc.) did indeed happen,and very likely almost wiped out the human race. The conditions those survivors faced must have been unimaginably harsh,and that they lived,bore children,and told the tale is a testament to just how tough and resilient we can be. Humans can certainly be venal and petty,at times,and we've been cursed with way more than our fair share of murderous thugs who've managed to gain enough power to make everyone around them miserable,but we seem to be very difficult to do away with completely.
77 posted on 11/22/2001 6:15:48 AM PST by sawsalimb
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To: Eternal_Bear
" Maybe there is a reason that MesoAmericans were obsessed by the theory of cyclical destructions being visited upon them? Evidence now points to the fact that Civilization rose in the Americas before it did in Europe."

Weren't they on a 52 year cycle of some sort?...and they predicted the end times in 2002 or 2012? (...or, at least their calendar does not go beyond that date?)

78 posted on 11/22/2001 6:25:27 AM PST by blam
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To: crystalk
Originally I posted my comments as a joke. But in the piece on the Discovery Channel they made what I thought was a compelling arguement that Plato and those guys had no access ot the "other side" of the Atlantic. As with many things they made Plato's description fit the area of interest around the northern Med but then tied it in with some archeaology evidence. Right now I'm not even sure that there ever was an Atlantis. Thee right proof could convince me either way.

All of that said I do however believe that much of the history and technology of ancient man was lost some how. I think in the burning of the libray at Alexandria. But hey what do I know......

79 posted on 11/22/2001 7:15:01 AM PST by mad_as_he$$
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To: blam
I believe the Mayans had a 52 year cycle of of some sort incorporated into their calendar-I'll look at my copy of The Mayan Prophecies and get back to you on that,as I'm not sure. FWIW,I also seem to remember something being mentioned about a 52 year lunar eclipse cycle that was somehow related to the Stonehenge site. IF memory serves,the Stonehenge site was supposed to be able to accurately predict lunar eclipses,and I believe that lunar eclipses run on a 52 year cycle(something like that,anyway-more coffee is desperately required at the moment).
80 posted on 11/22/2001 7:17:42 AM PST by sawsalimb
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