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Feminism's Children
Weekly Standard ^ | Week of November 5, 2001 | Mary Eberstadt

Posted on 11/01/2001 10:44:36 AM PST by jalisco555

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To: Question_Assumptions
Peter Singer does have the guts - as you say. He even takes the conclusion logically to include all life - that means animals. i think he is one very interesting guy. He is a true believer in conservative community.
21 posted on 11/03/2001 3:46:34 AM PST by Gimlet
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To: logos
Yeah, what you said. And they'll be really bad people, too. :-)

You mean, to quote a few more Pauline nouns, adjectives and prepositional phrases, ". . .revilers, . . . malicious gossips, without self-control,. . . conceited"?

22 posted on 11/03/2001 3:57:43 AM PST by Caleb1411
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To: logos
Whoops, guess I repeated myself on "without self-control." Maybe the phrase needs a reapplication to these harridans.
23 posted on 11/03/2001 4:02:11 AM PST by Caleb1411
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To: Caleb1411
Excellent point in the Biblical quote. I heard an awesome sermon about that passage. The preacher basically said that when you see women abandoning morality (lesbianism in particular) that the society in general is failing.

As an aside, I have heard that a good definition of mental illness is varying degrees of self absorbtion. So, a depressed person is a little bit self absorbed, and a schizophrenic is completely lost in himself. Therefore, based on this definition, and the observation of feminism and all that soul searching they seem to do, I can conclude that they are all battier than a belfry. The inmates are running the asylum.

BTW, isn't Naomi Wolf the lady who told Algore to wear earth tones and be an alpha male?

24 posted on 11/03/2001 4:03:53 AM PST by TheLionessRN
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As an aside, I have heard that a good definition of mental illness is varying degrees of self absorbtion. So, a depressed person is a little bit self absorbed, and a schizophrenic is completely lost in himself. Therefore, based on this definition, and the observation of feminism and all that soul searching they seem to do, I can conclude that they are all battier than a belfry. The inmates are running the asylum.

I would surmise as do you that mild depression probably requires some degree of self obsession or awareness.

However from having close friends suffer through severe depression and observing 2 cases of schizophrenia up close in my life I must with all respect disagree with most of your premise. Schizophrenia is a random disease with profound physical causes and those I've seen with it are no more to blame for having it than you or I if we had a cold. Particularly the adult onset variety is hideous....quite often these people live in constant terror unless heavily medicated. A schizophrenics worst enemy is his "internal dialogue"....something most folks take for granted or find reassuring as a rule.

Likewise...severe depression particularly after the loss of a child or spouse or when a child loses a parent early on in the formative years.....I don't think that the occasionally resulting debilitating depression is a sign of self absorption but rather of just pure...sadness. Some folks dust themselves off better than others. But I must emphasize that Schizophrenics certainly have no responsibility whatsoever in the fact that they have it. It can be random or hereditary and it can be brutal...some of the most frightening stuff I've ever witnessed.

Yes...Naomi was Goron's makeover guru.

regards.

25 posted on 11/03/2001 7:37:35 AM PST by wardaddy
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To: Caleb1411
The following from the review signals to me that the death cultists are now aware of our effort s to characterize the rite of abortion as killing ... I've spent months harping on 'a woman's right to choose, a serial killer for her unborn'. The next phase int he sheaf of lies is to admit the killing is killing, but deny that the killing is killing a human being.

And, of course, as in her New Republic essay six years ago, Wolf mires herself once again in a monumental contradiction over abortion. On the one hand, she is avowedly "a pro-choice woman." On the other hand, her "attitudes about abortion were shifting like magma under the ocean floor, caused by upheavals too deep to see." As before, however, those "upheavals" make no dent in Wolf's own advocacy. In a particular burst of Nietzschean enthusiasm, she even dragoons her own fetus into serving the pro-abortion cause, reporting, "I cherished that nose and those hands [in her unborn child's sonogram picture]. But I felt: I am not fooled. And I could swear that, when it had looked at me, it had conveyed this directly to me: Yes, I will be a human baby eventually, small, helpless, new, and wholly lovable. But not yet." [Disgusting, absolutely disgusting service to the evil she embraces. The demons of Hell giggle at her stupidity ... she, supposedly an educated woman! Such evil apology makes her well suited to serve Al Goron and his slogan of death.]

There is one truth the death cultists have got to figure several ways to obfuscate: an individual human lifetime begins at conception; arbitrarily ending that already begun lifetime ends the journey already begun toward the future, the life of an individual human being, already existing in time and space.

I suspect that in the end, the death cultists like Singer will freely admit it is the right of a woman to order the killing of an individual human being, as long as that individual human being is legally denied citizenship because of location, as in 'in the womb', thus the special status of women is assured, that they can order something no other human being can order, the serial killing of individual humans, being human prior to birth. Such are known as apologists, but the term carries no kindness with it in such context, for these apologists are supporting and promoting serial killing of individual humans as a proper means to deal with societal and personal difficulties. It's the outworking of evil and heralds the end of human times, for there is no new frontier beyond which to flee to escape this evil incarnate in this 'enlightenment' of darkened hearts.

26 posted on 11/03/2001 2:08:44 PM PST by MHGinTN
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To: jalisco555; toenail; George W. Bush; Darheel; Question_Assumptions; wardaddy; nopardons...
PING))))))
27 posted on 11/03/2001 2:11:58 PM PST by MHGinTN
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I very much like your characterization of our opponents as death cultists. I hope you develop the terminology and argument further. I flagged Manny to come have a look. He is always interested in these lines of argument.
28 posted on 11/03/2001 4:55:21 PM PST by George W. Bush
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Once specious norms were accepted as " NORMAL " , good manners , marriage, personal respnsibility, proper use of English, and yes, even gender roles, went to hell in a handbasket.

Accepting the unacceptable - one of the tenets of co-dependancy. Is our long, nightmarish dance with this evil finally over...or is it just on hiatus?

29 posted on 11/03/2001 5:09:48 PM PST by LeeMcCoy
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It is NOT on hiatus. There are FREEPERS who see absolutely NOTHING wrong with lots of meaningless premarital sex, the use of profanity ,the use of dope, prostitution ,adolescent drukenness, and a host of other things which have debased our nation. If supposed " Conservatives " ( and I have gotten to the point where I highly doubt that they are Conservative at all ) accept these things , then why should anyone be amazed that liberals do ? Is there hope for this country's getting backc to beng a more civilized society ? There is always hope; however , I doubt that I'll be alive to see this change .

When supposed Conservative parents say that their teens will have sex, so there's no use in trying to stop them,how can one expect change ? When they use the same exact debased argument that Liberals use, and say that ragging hormones can't be ignored, they give carte blanche to be animalistic, to children. What some of those , who did not live through different times can't seem to comprehend, is thta people weren't behaving this way 40, 50, 100 years ago, and they didn't go insane.

If you have chilren, just raise them the way you want them to turn out to be, and cross your fingers that it takes.LOL

30 posted on 11/03/2001 6:42:54 PM PST by nopardons
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To: nopardons
That's a lot of finger-crossing...and prayer. *sigh*
31 posted on 11/03/2001 6:54:20 PM PST by LeeMcCoy
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To: LeeMcCoy
It certainly is; but it can and is being done. I did the job, and so have many of my friends. : - )

Just stick to your guns, NEVER forget that YOU are the parent, that children have NO " rights " , and do the very best that you can, with the world's toughest, but most rewarding job. Trying to be a parent , for the first time, when a child is 12, means that both parents and child have already failed. Always be there to listen, talk, and instruct. Know where and with whom your children are , and don't let them be with the " wrong " people. It's all so " old fashioned " and common sensical, that many cant or won't do it.

Never make a threat, that isn't a promise to be kept.

Never be a hypocrite.

Teach by precept and example.

If " EVERYONE IS DOING / HAVING / GOING / WEARING , but you don't apptove of it, the answer is AWLAYS a resounding NO! A child's tears are always prefferable to an unwanted pregnancy, STD, dope / alcohol use , bad behaviors , or death.

Give 100 % love and support !

32 posted on 11/03/2001 8:39:21 PM PST by nopardons
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