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Rooftop solar panels are flooding California’s grid. That’s a problem.
Washington Post ^ | 04 22 2024 | Shannon Osaka

Posted on 04/22/2024 7:51:20 PM PDT by yesthatjallen

In sunny California, solar panels are everywhere. They sit in dry, desert landscapes in the Central Valley and are scattered over rooftops in Los Angeles’s urban center. By last count, the state had nearly 47 gigawatts of solar power installed — enough to power 13.9 million homes and provide over a quarter of the Golden State’s electricity.

But now, the state and its grid operator are grappling with a strange reality: There is so much solar on the grid that, on sunny spring days when there’s not as much demand, electricity prices go negative. Gigawatts of solar are “curtailed” — essentially, thrown away.

In response, California has cut back incentives for rooftop solar and slowed the pace of installing panels. But the diminishing economic returns may slow the development of solar in a state that has tried to move to renewable energy. And as other states build more and more solar plants of their own, they may soon face the same problems.

“These are not insurmountable challenges,” said Michelle Davis, head of global solar at the energy research and consulting firm Wood Mackenzie Power and Renewables. “But they are challenges that a lot of grid operators have never had to deal with.”

Solar power has many wonderful properties — once built, it costs almost nothing to run; it produces no air pollution and generates energy without burning fossil fuels. But it also has one major, obvious drawback: The sun doesn’t shine all the time.

SNIP

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KEYWORDS: california; greenenergy; solar; solarpanels
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To: yesthatjallen

But..but..☹️


41 posted on 04/22/2024 11:23:21 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Welcome to the Matrix . Orwell's "1984" was a warning, not an instruction manual.)
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To: yesthatjallen
The sun doesn’t shine all the time.

Silly me...

I thought the sun was shining all the time, but we kept turning away from it for 12 hours each day.

-PJ

42 posted on 04/22/2024 11:48:36 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too ( * LAAP = Left-wing Activist Agitprop Press (formerly known as the MSM))
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To: Jonty30

The answer exists and has existed ever since they built hydroelectric dams in series. Use the excess power generated during the day to pump water from the lowest lake to the highest lake. Let the water flow down at night and generate power. been doing it for many years. solar power converted into potential energy. 1st year physics.


43 posted on 04/23/2024 12:09:05 AM PDT by calljack (Sometimes your worst nightmare is just a start.)
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To: calljack

That’s a good idea as well or underground heat sinks that give off heat over the course of the night as well.


44 posted on 04/23/2024 12:11:43 AM PDT by Jonty30 (He hunted a mammoth me, just because I said I was hungry. He is such a good friend. )
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To: calljack

You need huge, economical energy storage systems which do not exist and won’t ever exist. Dams filled with water. problem solved. Except they don’t want to solve the problem.


45 posted on 04/23/2024 12:12:21 AM PDT by calljack (Sometimes your worst nightmare is just a start.)
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To: yesthatjallen

Two Factoids

1) Kalifornia has mandated solar energy rooftops for all new construction. There is no ‘choice.’

2) “”Without any meaningful existing storage capacity””

I once read an opinion piece about the existence of massive stores of solar power.....it’s called.......coal.


46 posted on 04/23/2024 12:27:01 AM PDT by Ronaldus Magnus III (Do, or do not, there is no try)
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To: yesthatjallen

They need a corresponding load which can go into use when power is plentiful and shut down otherwise.

Desalination plants would be an example. Fresh water could be generated and stored.


47 posted on 04/23/2024 1:08:40 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor (Either you will rule. Or you will be ruled. There is no other choice.)
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To: Repeal The 17th
LOL. They are on the horizon. Made out of some material called perovskites, they are going to be a lot more efficient.

I don't think we are going to be in trouble energy wise in the future, if we can keep the commies and WEF types from enslaving us in dark basements and feeding us bugs.

Panic mongers gonna monger.

48 posted on 04/23/2024 1:27:45 AM PDT by caddie
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To: hinckley buzzard

there’s a concept called kinetic energy storage. Basically the excess power spins up a wheel or cranes up a weight. Then when required the stored kinetic energy is discharged as electrical.

that could work.


49 posted on 04/23/2024 1:40:15 AM PDT by Samurai_Jack (This is not about hypocrisy, this is about hierarchy!)
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To: yesthatjallen

Don’t even feel sorry. California is a disaster.


50 posted on 04/23/2024 2:01:52 AM PDT by Recovering_Democrat
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To: yesthatjallen

FTA: the state had nearly 47 gigawatts of solar power installed — enough to power 13.9 million homes and provide over a quarter of the Golden State’s electricity.

Except they don’t as the sun goes down everyday. The panels also get lots of dirt on then and the efficiency is not what is claimed.

California ISO
http://www.caiso.com/TodaysOutlook/Pages/supply.html

2022 Total System Electric Generation
https://www.energy.ca.gov/data-reports/energy-almanac/california-electricity-data/2022-total-system-electric-generation


51 posted on 04/23/2024 2:10:16 AM PDT by minnesota_bound (Need more money to buy everything now)
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To: minnesota_bound

Democrats always pull the rug out of everything.
Who will take care of the warranty now that the companies are gone?
Imagine the cost of repairing the panels or replacing your roof and having to remove the panels first.
Who will reinstall them and at what cost as few if any companies will be around to do so?

California Has Dealt a Blow to Renewable Energy, Some Businesses Say
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/14/business/energy-environment/california-rooftop-solar.html
Thousands of companies — including installers, manufacturers and distributors — are reeling from the new policy, which took effect in April and greatly reduced incentives that had encouraged homeowners to install solar panels. Since the change, sales of rooftop solar installations in California dropped as much as 85 percent in some months of 2023 from a year earlier


52 posted on 04/23/2024 2:14:54 AM PDT by minnesota_bound (Need more money to buy everything now)
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To: yesthatjallen

Sun don’t shine ...


53 posted on 04/23/2024 2:39:29 AM PDT by sonova (No money? You're free to go.)
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To: Repeal The 17th

...or launch a geo-stationary mylar mirror into orbit...


54 posted on 04/23/2024 2:59:02 AM PDT by Does so ( 🇺🇦....We are in the later stages of a Communist takeover...)
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To: yesthatjallen

Use the excess power to pump water back over to the other side of a hydro electric dam for power use at night... should work.


55 posted on 04/23/2024 3:14:15 AM PDT by teeman8r (Armageddon won't be pretty, but it's not like it's the end of the world or something )
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To: TheBattman

Like when they demand we conserve water and then when people do, they have to raise the prices of water since not as much is being used.


56 posted on 04/23/2024 3:46:28 AM PDT by Cowgirl of Justice
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To: hinckley buzzard

Solar makes sense for homeowner use.

It makes zero sense from a grid integration standpoint.

And since Deep State can’t tax it when collected and consumed by individual homeowners, it’s gotta go.


57 posted on 04/23/2024 3:55:53 AM PDT by mewzilla (Never give up; never surrender!)
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To: nagant

Charge EVs at work, mid-day


58 posted on 04/23/2024 4:27:50 AM PDT by George from New England (escaped CT back in 2006)
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To: George from New England

Mid-day I heat a tank water heater to 145 degrees
Got an 80 gallon


59 posted on 04/23/2024 4:29:28 AM PDT by George from New England (escaped CT back in 2006)
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To: yesthatjallen

Following...


60 posted on 04/23/2024 4:32:03 AM PDT by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion. The Dhimmicraps are ALL Traitors. All of them.)
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