Posted on 03/11/2024 11:33:28 AM PDT by ChicagoConservative27
WARSAW, Poland (AP) – Poland’s president on Monday called on other members of the NATO alliance to raise their spending on defense to 3% of their gross domestic product as Russia puts its economy on a war footing and pushes forward with its invasion of Ukraine.
President Andrzej Duda made his call both in remarks in Warsaw and in a piece published by The Washington Post. His appeal came on the eve of a visit to the White House, where U.S. President Joe Biden will receive both him and Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk on Tuesday.
“Russia´s imperialistic ambitions and aggressive revisionism are pushing Moscow toward a direct confrontation with NATO, with the West and, ultimately, with the whole free world,” Duda said in the op-ed.
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I want Canada out of NATO immediately !
When both want peace and the pain is great enough, they will negotiate.
In Ukraine’s case, there have been articles posted that say the west has not allowed peace.
I have no private info.
I posted 2 years ago that Ukraine should negotiate peace and all along the way I’ve posted the same thing.
BTW, EU GDP for 2024 is estimated to be $19.35 trillion (nominal; 2024) ; $26.64 trillion (PPP; 2024)
USA GDP in 2024 is estimated to be $27.97 trillion (nominal; 2024 est.) ; $27.97 trillion (PPP; 2024 est.)[benchmark]
The EU figures of course leave out the UK, etc., but even by PPP, Europe’s GDP including non-EU countries still does not exceed the US by much.
It’d also be interesting to compare what portion of European GDP is tied up in Gov’t compared to the US. Russia too.
CERTAINLY too much of our GDP is based in our gov’t.
So now only russia wants peace ?
If Ukraine wanted peace, they’d be negotiating.
It hasn’t been reported.
“If Ukraine wanted peace, they’d be negotiating.”
OK so now only russia wants peace ?
You sound like Rainman.
I’ve indulged you and answered fully.
Good luck.
OK so in your opinion Russia wants peace and Ukraine doesn’t want peace.
All I see in your words is an ad hominem attack without any substantiation or logic.
You definitely aren’t convincing me and I’m a fairly neutral observer.
What really got World War 1 going? Paperwork, called treaties, right?
France's alliance with Russia.
> you undestand better now ?
Yes, I do, actually.
Russia has annexed parts of Georgia, annexed parts of Ukraine - which is quite a contrast to USA military actions.
NATO should have been terminated in 1991, when the USSR and Warsaw Pact disappeared.
IF that had happened, NONE of this would be happening.
Yeah, maybe there would be border wars in Eastern Europe, just like there has been since year ZERO.
But countries in North America would not be involved.
Not our circus, not our monkees.
If Poland wants to fight Russia yet again, do it on your own dime.
EVERY country benefits from peace and ensuring the safety of global trade and shipping. NATO seems to help with that. And Canada benefits.
“What really got World War 1 going? Paperwork, called treaties, right? “
More than Treaties, sections of the Elites in all the Great Powers took unauthorized actions, against the orders of their own governments, to make the war more likely to happen.
They concealed information, exaggerated guarantees, exceeded their diplomatic instructions, fabricated events, issued unauthorized orders.
The Elites used the treaties as an argument to go to war. But they also ignored the instructions of their own governments and, in effect, declared a State of Exception for themselves, and took unauthorized or forbidden actions to make the war more likely.
“...ensuring the safety of global trade and shipping.”
This is globalist nonsense. The lesson should have been learned during Corona when the West couldn’t even produce its own PPE.
They are relearning in now with artillery shell production. Where de-industrialization and offshoring has so degraded the West that the 32 countries of NATO plus Australia, Japan and S Korea are being outproduced by Russia and N Korea.
Not only that, the gap is growing and Russian increases already in place (with more to come) are more than the Announced Western shell production increases planned in the future.
> Borders are only valid if you can hold them.
Ah, I think I’m beginning to understand your logical position now: families, lives, and morals do not seem to matter in your mind, peace is not valuable in its own right, and might makes right.
So please would you remind me again why you seem to be reasoning that NATO countries shouldn’t increase spending to 3% to increase their might? After all, you argue that borders are only valid if you can hold them - therefore more spending by NATO countries makes rational sense, right? They seem to want to keep their existing borders, thank you very much.
From a historical perspective, I cannot understand that someone would sincerely believe that NATO is likely to invade and annex Russia. (But recent events demonstrate that the converse is clearly not true: Russia has proven itself to be a potent, existential threat.)
NATO is unlikely to invade Russia unless it is in reaction to Russia first trying to change their borders unilaterally, a nuclear launch, or perhaps to reverse recent invasions by Russia, based on this logic:
> Borders are only valid if you can hold them.
We shall see whether or not Russia is able to hold on to their somewhat newly asserted borders in Georgia and Ukraine. Russia might hold on to it, given the lack of NATO resolve to respect their past treaty commitments to Ukraine.
Not nonsense at all. There have been real threats to shipping such as Somali pirates, etc...
USA, Canada and numerous other countries ship things across the world all the time for economic benefits.
The West is so degraded and weak it can’t even keep the Suez Canal open.
Forget Nasser, Houthi terrorists have closed the Canal.
An economic system based on these sort of obvious failure points like shipping thru the Canal is bound to catastrophically fail.
Time to start making the stuff we buy, and buying the stuff we make, rather than this Global Trade Bullsh!t.
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