Posted on 01/28/2024 7:39:07 PM PST by Kazan
Article V was invoked after 9/11. NATO forces joined US troops fighting the Talis and al Qaeda.
What has NATO done?
The soldiers were killed in Jordan. This attack does not trigger Article 5 which states in salient part
“The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence recognized by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area.”
NATO Article 5 has been invoked just once, and that was by the United States. Many of our NATO allies spilled blood for their NATO obligation to us. Our NATO allies (some of them still in the application process) killed include:
UK: 457
Canada: 159
France: 90
Germany: 62
Italy: 53
Poland: 44
Denmark: 43
Spain: 35
Romania: 27
Netherlands: 25
Turkey: 15
Czech Republic: 14
Norway: 10
Estonia: 9
Hungary: 7
Latvia: 4
Slovakia: 3
Portugal: 2
Albania: 1
Belgium: 1
Lithuania: 1
Montenegro: 1
The source linked is "Press TV", an Iranian government propaganda outlet the likes of sputnik or TASS.
“Trump’s positions on NATO and Ukraine are correct. EUrope should do more. But our goals should be to reform NATO, not to end NATO.”
Throughout human history alliances between nations have been constantly shifting. Trump is correct in essentially saying we should always be evaluating the value of our alliances and if the no longer have value they should be renegotiated or ended.
Remember Trump renegotiated NAFTA, perceiving the trade deal was no longer benefiting the U.S. He essentially said that if the EU plus Britain, with a combined economy the size of the US, would not pay its share of the cost of defending Europe, then the treaty was of limited or no value to the U.S.
In the last year Russia ended arms control talks with the U.S. when the U.S. sent massive amounts of weapons and aid to Ukraine and the U.S. placed heavy sanctions on the U.S. economy. Why would Russia want to talk military arms control with a nation attacking it economically and funding a proxy military war in Ukraine?
Alliances and treaties between nations must be a win win proposition for all participants. As times and circumstances change, alliances must also change.
Trump is absolutely correct. Most of the NATO members, Germany in particular, have been free loading b*stards for the last 70 years. He was simply pointing that out in his usual crude and inarticulate fashion, but correct nonetheless. Sometimes you have to use a 2x4 get the mule’s attention.
"Trump is absolutely correct. Most of the NATO members, Germany in particular, have been free loading b*stards for the last 70 years. He was simply pointing that out in his usual crude and inarticulate fashion, but correct nonetheless."bttt
With WII, we became a new force in the world. A force for democracy. When we won WWII, we didn’t impose a vindictive treaty on the defeated power. We sought instead to rehabilitate those countries as democracies.
The neocons incorrectly concluded that we could easily replicate the model. No. But where the opportunity presents itself, we can move the borders of freedom.
NATO, our major non-NATO allies, and the prospect of India and yet other countries joining into an alliance of democracies, we could mutually-secure our freedom and independence and take a giant step to ending the scourge of war.
I invite you, my friend, to think big. Our country is already the greatest force for good in the history of the world. There’s nothing we can’t achieve.
Our NATO allies (some of them still in the application process) killed include:
UK: 457
Canada: 159
France: 90
Germany: 62
Italy: 53
Poland: 44
Denmark: 43
Spain: 35
Romania: 27
Netherlands: 25
Turkey: 15
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Come off it !
That’s over a 20 year War on Terror.
Ukraine and Russia are losing in the hundreds every single day. That’s what the real losses in a peer war look like.
None of those Western countries are up to those casualty rates. I doubt the current Woke US military is either.
In fact, I suspect the only Western countries where their militaries could sustain those casualty rates and not disintegrate - are Ukraine and Russia.
” NATO, our major non-NATO allies, and the prospect of India and yet other countries joining into an alliance of democracies, we could mutually-secure our freedom and independence and take a giant step to ending the scourge of war.
I invite you, my friend, to think big. Our country is already the greatest force for good in the history of the world. There’s nothing we can’t achieve. “
This is Utopian gobble-de-gook and American Omnipotence Delusion which is at the core of NeoCon Insanity.
Men are fallen, and conflict and war is inevitable.
You want a worldwide alliance of everyone, where a border dispute with Khalistan turns into world war three.
You belong at the UN Globalist World Government Club. Not FR.
NATO is cold war relic that has become a business and money laundering operation for the political elite and the defense industry.
We've gone out of our way to stir up conflicts to keep it going.
So, you have to go back 23 years to find something useful about NATO?
He doesn’t say they won’t he says he doesn’t believe they will.
In exchange for paying for the EU’s military, the USA / deep-state gets to control all the institutions of European defense and foreign policy.
What’s that worth? That’s up for debate - but the USA has many puppets in Euro-land
I wonder if Trump is purposely not mentioning that, or does he really not know?
And that's the way America wants it.
America not only pays for NATO, it owns and controls NATO. NATO is an extension of the American Empire. Its initial purpose was to keep Germany down and Russia out. It later waged a war of aggression against Serbia.
Its current mission includes pressuring holdout nations (e.g., Hungary) into accepting LGBT and Third World migrants, or risk becoming another Serbia.
NATO also tried to hem in Russia, leading to the Ukraine war.
NATO serves U.S. foreign policy, so naturally, we pay for it.
That's good. But Trump should have been consistent by also criticizing Biden for providing military aid to Israel.
If Germany began rearming, including with nukes, so they could defend themselves against a nuclear Russia, there'd be an outcry against "the returning threat of German militarism."
American foreign policy might want a stronger German attack dog, but it doesn't want that dog so strong as to break off the American leash.
Posting “news” direct from Iran press TV now?
What a load of crap.
Expanding NATO to Russia's borders, fomenting an illegal coup in Ukraine and funding and building up a massive army there isn't trying to hem Russia in. It was a deliberate attempt to start a proxy war, which NATO did and is getting its ass kicked in.
These kind of lies lead to world wars.
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