Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Trump says NATO will not come to rescue if US attacked
Press TV ^ | Sunday, 28 January 2024 | Staff

Posted on 01/28/2024 7:39:07 PM PST by Kazan

click here to read article


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-54 next last
To: Kazan

Article V was invoked after 9/11. NATO forces joined US troops fighting the Talis and al Qaeda.


21 posted on 01/28/2024 8:16:11 PM PST by xkaydet65
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: jdsteel
3 of our military were killed and many more injured by Iran backed Islamists. This after about 150 attacks.

What has NATO done?

The soldiers were killed in Jordan. This attack does not trigger Article 5 which states in salient part

“The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence recognized by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area.”

22 posted on 01/28/2024 8:18:14 PM PST by thegagline (Sic semper tyrannis! Goldwater in 2024)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: Kazan

23 posted on 01/28/2024 8:22:31 PM PST by Karl Spooner
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Kazan

NATO Article 5 has been invoked just once, and that was by the United States. Many of our NATO allies spilled blood for their NATO obligation to us. Our NATO allies (some of them still in the application process) killed include:

UK: 457
Canada: 159
France: 90
Germany: 62
Italy: 53
Poland: 44
Denmark: 43
Spain: 35
Romania: 27
Netherlands: 25
Turkey: 15
Czech Republic: 14
Norway: 10
Estonia: 9
Hungary: 7
Latvia: 4
Slovakia: 3
Portugal: 2
Albania: 1
Belgium: 1
Lithuania: 1
Montenegro: 1


24 posted on 01/28/2024 8:27:19 PM PST by ETCM (“There is no security, no safety, in the appeasement of evil.” — Ronald Reagan)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Redmen4ever
It is possible the other side is putting these words into Trump’s mouth.

The source linked is "Press TV", an Iranian government propaganda outlet the likes of sputnik or TASS.

25 posted on 01/28/2024 8:31:08 PM PST by ETCM (“There is no security, no safety, in the appeasement of evil.” — Ronald Reagan)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: Redmen4ever

“Trump’s positions on NATO and Ukraine are correct. EUrope should do more. But our goals should be to reform NATO, not to end NATO.”

Throughout human history alliances between nations have been constantly shifting. Trump is correct in essentially saying we should always be evaluating the value of our alliances and if the no longer have value they should be renegotiated or ended.

Remember Trump renegotiated NAFTA, perceiving the trade deal was no longer benefiting the U.S. He essentially said that if the EU plus Britain, with a combined economy the size of the US, would not pay its share of the cost of defending Europe, then the treaty was of limited or no value to the U.S.

In the last year Russia ended arms control talks with the U.S. when the U.S. sent massive amounts of weapons and aid to Ukraine and the U.S. placed heavy sanctions on the U.S. economy. Why would Russia want to talk military arms control with a nation attacking it economically and funding a proxy military war in Ukraine?

Alliances and treaties between nations must be a win win proposition for all participants. As times and circumstances change, alliances must also change.


26 posted on 01/28/2024 8:59:40 PM PST by Soul of the South (The past is gone and cannot be changed. Tomorrow can be a better day if we work on it now.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: Kazan

Trump is absolutely correct. Most of the NATO members, Germany in particular, have been free loading b*stards for the last 70 years. He was simply pointing that out in his usual crude and inarticulate fashion, but correct nonetheless. Sometimes you have to use a 2x4 get the mule’s attention.


27 posted on 01/28/2024 9:03:10 PM PST by technically right
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: technically right
"Trump is absolutely correct. Most of the NATO members, Germany in particular, have been free loading b*stards for the last 70 years. He was simply pointing that out in his usual crude and inarticulate fashion, but correct nonetheless."
bttt
28 posted on 01/28/2024 9:07:23 PM PST by linMcHlp
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 27 | View Replies]

To: Soul of the South

With WII, we became a new force in the world. A force for democracy. When we won WWII, we didn’t impose a vindictive treaty on the defeated power. We sought instead to rehabilitate those countries as democracies.

The neocons incorrectly concluded that we could easily replicate the model. No. But where the opportunity presents itself, we can move the borders of freedom.

NATO, our major non-NATO allies, and the prospect of India and yet other countries joining into an alliance of democracies, we could mutually-secure our freedom and independence and take a giant step to ending the scourge of war.

I invite you, my friend, to think big. Our country is already the greatest force for good in the history of the world. There’s nothing we can’t achieve.


29 posted on 01/28/2024 9:16:14 PM PST by Redmen4ever
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

To: ETCM

Our NATO allies (some of them still in the application process) killed include:

UK: 457
Canada: 159
France: 90
Germany: 62
Italy: 53
Poland: 44
Denmark: 43
Spain: 35
Romania: 27
Netherlands: 25
Turkey: 15
...


Come off it !

That’s over a 20 year War on Terror.

Ukraine and Russia are losing in the hundreds every single day. That’s what the real losses in a peer war look like.

None of those Western countries are up to those casualty rates. I doubt the current Woke US military is either.

In fact, I suspect the only Western countries where their militaries could sustain those casualty rates and not disintegrate - are Ukraine and Russia.


30 posted on 01/28/2024 9:22:59 PM PST by Reverend Wright ( Everything touched by progressives, dies !)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies]

To: Redmen4ever; All

” NATO, our major non-NATO allies, and the prospect of India and yet other countries joining into an alliance of democracies, we could mutually-secure our freedom and independence and take a giant step to ending the scourge of war.

I invite you, my friend, to think big. Our country is already the greatest force for good in the history of the world. There’s nothing we can’t achieve. “


This is Utopian gobble-de-gook and American Omnipotence Delusion which is at the core of NeoCon Insanity.

Men are fallen, and conflict and war is inevitable.

You want a worldwide alliance of everyone, where a border dispute with Khalistan turns into world war three.

You belong at the UN Globalist World Government Club. Not FR.


31 posted on 01/28/2024 9:30:06 PM PST by Reverend Wright ( Everything touched by progressives, dies !)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

To: Redmen4ever
Trump’s positions on NATO and Ukraine are correct. EUrope should do more. But our goals should be to reform NATO, not to end NATO.

NATO is cold war relic that has become a business and money laundering operation for the political elite and the defense industry.

We've gone out of our way to stir up conflicts to keep it going.

32 posted on 01/28/2024 9:33:41 PM PST by Kazan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: xkaydet65
NATO forces joined US troops fighting the Talis and al Qaeda.

So, you have to go back 23 years to find something useful about NATO?

33 posted on 01/28/2024 9:34:46 PM PST by Kazan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 21 | View Replies]

To: Kazan

He doesn’t say they won’t he says he doesn’t believe they will.


34 posted on 01/28/2024 9:55:37 PM PST by webheart
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Kazan

In exchange for paying for the EU’s military, the USA / deep-state gets to control all the institutions of European defense and foreign policy.

What’s that worth? That’s up for debate - but the USA has many puppets in Euro-land

I wonder if Trump is purposely not mentioning that, or does he really not know?


35 posted on 01/28/2024 9:57:00 PM PST by PGR88
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Jonty30
All cooperation with Europeans was simply a means for the Europeans to have the US subsidize their lifestyle so they could enjoy their socialism and not have to have bear the full costs.

And that's the way America wants it.

America not only pays for NATO, it owns and controls NATO. NATO is an extension of the American Empire. Its initial purpose was to keep Germany down and Russia out. It later waged a war of aggression against Serbia.

Its current mission includes pressuring holdout nations (e.g., Hungary) into accepting LGBT and Third World migrants, or risk becoming another Serbia.

NATO also tried to hem in Russia, leading to the Ukraine war.

NATO serves U.S. foreign policy, so naturally, we pay for it.

36 posted on 01/28/2024 10:27:13 PM PST by Angelino97
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: bimboeruption
Similarly, Trump criticized US President Joe Biden for providing military aid to Ukraine during its conflict with Russia.

That's good. But Trump should have been consistent by also criticizing Biden for providing military aid to Israel.

37 posted on 01/28/2024 10:30:58 PM PST by Angelino97
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 18 | View Replies]

To: technically right
Trump is absolutely correct. Most of the NATO members, Germany in particular, have been free loading b*stards for the last 70 years.

If Germany began rearming, including with nukes, so they could defend themselves against a nuclear Russia, there'd be an outcry against "the returning threat of German militarism."

American foreign policy might want a stronger German attack dog, but it doesn't want that dog so strong as to break off the American leash.

38 posted on 01/28/2024 10:35:28 PM PST by Angelino97
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 27 | View Replies]

To: Kazan

Posting “news” direct from Iran press TV now?


39 posted on 01/28/2024 10:40:26 PM PST by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Angelino97
NATO also tried to hem in Russia, leading to the Ukraine war.

What a load of crap.

Expanding NATO to Russia's borders, fomenting an illegal coup in Ukraine and funding and building up a massive army there isn't trying to hem Russia in. It was a deliberate attempt to start a proxy war, which NATO did and is getting its ass kicked in.

These kind of lies lead to world wars.

40 posted on 01/28/2024 11:09:06 PM PST by Kazan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 36 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-54 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson