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Bolton: Congress Must Support Ukraine or 'Russia Will Win'
Newsmax ^ | December 3, 2023 | Theodore Bunker

Posted on 12/03/2023 10:17:15 AM PST by Navy Patriot

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To: Navy Patriot

EAT YOUR OATMEAL OR PUTIN WINS!


61 posted on 12/03/2023 11:55:13 AM PST by who_would_fardels_bear (What is left around which to circle the wagons?)
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To: John S Mosby

The breakaway states in the Donbas will win. Which they would have if BeijingBiden had not convinced Zelynskyy to go back on the agreement to let those states join Russia.

Russia should win. They are fighting for the rights of self-determination of Ukraine citizens to leave the most corrupt nation in Europe.


62 posted on 12/03/2023 11:58:51 AM PST by bobbo666 (Baizuo, )
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To: alexander_busek; BitWielder1; Navy Patriot
...it would teach Putin's Russia a lesson: The national borders of sovereign nations ... are inviolable.

Except for the USA, where Joe Biden Drones Afghan Children for being publicly humiliated.

US military admits Biden's Kabul airstrike killed 7 children, not ISIS terrorist

63 posted on 12/03/2023 12:05:45 PM PST by Navy Patriot (Celebrate Decivilization)
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To: Navy Patriot

Bolton: Congress Must Support Ukraine or ‘Russia Will Win’

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Why can’t the EU do the “supporting”? They have lots of people and resources AND are geographically right there.

Why must the US care MORE than the EU?


64 posted on 12/03/2023 12:15:53 PM PST by Bishop_Malachi (Liberal Socialism - A philosophy which advocates spreading a low standard of living equally.)
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To: alexander_busek

“I wouldn’t have said those negative things about Russia during Yeltsin’s term of office. During the 90s, there was every reason to believe that Russia was in the process of shedding its imperialistic ambitions and despotic tendencies. “


No kidding.

Of course NeoCons and Western exploiters are nostalgic for Yeltsin’s Scalawag Government that gave away everything in Russia to the Oligarchs and Western Carpetbaggers !


65 posted on 12/03/2023 12:34:19 PM PST by Reverend Wright ( Everything touched by progressives, dies !)
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To: Navy Patriot

My response is SO WHAT???


66 posted on 12/03/2023 12:39:44 PM PST by Glad2bnuts (“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: We should have set up ambushes...paraphrased)
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

Crap, I like oatmeal, now Putin is gonna win.


67 posted on 12/03/2023 12:43:51 PM PST by Navy Patriot (Celebrate Decivilization)
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To: PGR88
Sadly, Neocon Ukraine must die if the US Republic is to survive.

Agreed, can we ship all the Zeepers there first?

Pretty Please?

68 posted on 12/03/2023 12:52:39 PM PST by Navy Patriot (Celebrate Decivilization)
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To: Navy Patriot

The ELITES love to make war with other people’s money and sons.

It’s good for their investments in the Military-Industrial sector.


69 posted on 12/03/2023 1:16:13 PM PST by Iron Munro (ELEPHANTS AND ASSES SCREWING THE MASSES)
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To: Navy Patriot

Europe was at war when Christ was born.
Europe will be at war when our great grandchildren are old and grey.
Thomas Jefferson said it best:
Europe is a continent in a constant state of war. Better for us to stay out of it.


70 posted on 12/03/2023 1:26:18 PM PST by joe fonebone (And the people said NO! The End)
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To: alexander_busek
I repeat: We are NOT at war with Russia. Rather, we are providing aid to a sovereign nation desperately struggling to push back an invader.

I would say that is debatable.

We are giving the Ukraine valuable armaments, depleting our ammunition stores and basically funding their entire government including their social safety net.

We are essentially following our steps to war as we did in Viet Nam.

I wonder if the CIA will engineer the death of a president of Ukraine if he does follow their dictates.

71 posted on 12/03/2023 1:31:47 PM PST by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: Pontiac

“””We are essentially following our steps to war as we did in Viet Nam.”””

No we aren’t, and as far as armament, Putin’s invasion has rejuvenated ours and the West’s, and our Pacific ally’s weapons industries and stockpiling efforts while we have cleared out a lot of the old stuff and reevaluated what works, what we need and don’t need and how much of it all when we face China.


72 posted on 12/03/2023 2:59:06 PM PST by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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To: Navy Patriot

Corrupt dictator of a Slavic nation vs corrupt dictator. of a Slavic nation? I don’t have a dog in this fight.


73 posted on 12/03/2023 4:31:44 PM PST by muir_redwoods (Freedom isn't free, liberty isn't liberal and you'll never find anything Right on the Left)
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To: ansel12
we have cleared out a lot of the old stuff and reevaluated what works, what we need and don’t need and how much of it all when we face China.

Is it a good idea to totally empty our arms stockpile of artillery shells, drones and missiles if we are concerned about a war with China? Regardless of wether these arms are on the edge of obsolescence or not we should not be essentially disarm ourselves to support someone else’s war.

We are to the point where we are borrowing artillery shells from Israel to send to send them to Ukraine and replacement shells are at least 2 years out.

Is it prudent when our nation is nearly. $34 Trillion in debt with double digit inflation to be financing someone else’s war?

Regardless of the Ukrainian cause we are in not position to finance their war. I repeat it is the Ukrainian’s war not ours. You can’t say we are not at war when it is our tax payers that are footing the bill. As far as I know the Ukrainians are not borrowing from us to fight this war.

If we can’t even control our own boarders should we be bankrupting our country to fight for another country’s boarder.

As patriot I have a big problem with this!

74 posted on 12/03/2023 4:36:35 PM PST by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: ansel12
“””We are essentially following our steps to war as we did in Viet Nam.”””

No we aren’t,

I am amazed that you can’t see the parallels.

History doesn’t repeat itself but it rhymes, so said Mark Twain.

75 posted on 12/03/2023 4:43:13 PM PST by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: Pontiac

If you are a patriot then quit speaking like enemy Russia.

We have weapon and ammo reserves for war that we don’t use and haven’t used for Ukraine, they are receiving ammo that we keep stored but is not part of our untouchable supply.

The shells we sent from our stocks in Israel were ours, not Israel’s.

Much of what we have given to Ukraine were materials that we were soon going to have to pay a lot to destroy because of end-of-life dates.

Most of that money stays in America and the weapons we send are used to lessen what we have to face from the Russian threat, so it is all well spent, we and our allies are building new factories and filling our warehouses with new, updated versions of what we are getting rid of.


76 posted on 12/03/2023 4:49:46 PM PST by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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To: mac_truck
Who blew up your Nordstream pipeline, was it the mean old Russians?

I read recently that it was Ukrainians.

But it was using US tech.

Another instance of proxy war IMO.

We give them intel and tech and they take the blame.

77 posted on 12/03/2023 4:51:51 PM PST by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: Pontiac

We had advisors in Vietnam under 4 presidential terms starting in 1950 under Truman, we don’t have them in Ukraine and besides, advisors don’t cause problems.

What got us into Vietnam was presidential term number 4 and JFK sending more than 16,000 American troops to Vietnam.


78 posted on 12/03/2023 4:53:48 PM PST by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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To: ansel12
The shells we sent from our stocks in Israel were ours, not Israel’s.

Much of what we have given to Ukraine were materials that we were soon going to have to pay a lot to destroy because of end-of-life dates.

Okay, your arguments are just silly.

First off Israel. We are taking arms from one ally that is on the verge of a hot war to give to a nation that until it went to war was not really an ally.

Then you make an faulty argument that the arms were near their experation date.

Like drug these dates are set up by the manufacture to make you buy new drugs and thus put more money in their pocket.

We dig up artillery shell every year from the civil war that are still dangerous.

You’re telling me that we need to replace shells manufactured 20 years ago?

79 posted on 12/03/2023 5:03:00 PM PST by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: Pontiac

LOL, your posts are getting entirely too goofy.

I do love your take on end-of-life dates on missiles and bombs and shells.


80 posted on 12/03/2023 5:16:41 PM PST by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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