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Victor Davis Hanson: Can We Save our Universities?
American Greatness ^ | 20 Nov, 2023 | Victor Davis Hanson

Posted on 11/20/2023 6:16:56 AM PST by MtnClimber

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To: TexasFreeper2009
You go to college for a specific job.

I do not agree with that.

You go to college to gain mastery of a specific field of knowledge, because you think that doing so will benefit you. Following that, we proceed toward a sort of agreement, to wit: If you don't know what specific field of knowledge you wish to master, you shouldn't be in college.

Very few people I have met in the course of my science/engineering career had their specific job in mind when they began (or even completed) their bachelor's degree. My career has been a long strange trip that I would never have predicted back in my "auld college days". Without the foundation of that bachelor's degree, though, the long strange trip would never have begun.

41 posted on 11/20/2023 7:48:25 AM PST by NorthMountain (... the right of the peopIe to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: NorthMountain

The objective is to learn how to think, and develop a good BS meter.


42 posted on 11/20/2023 7:50:11 AM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: MtnClimber

Maybe only 10 to 20 % of our colleges are worth saving, and some of those need to remove their vile left wing so called professors!


43 posted on 11/20/2023 7:50:17 AM PST by Grampa Dave ( A nyone, who can make you believe in absurdities, can make you commit atrocities!!" ~ (Voltaire)!, )
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To: Thommas
Sorry, that was attempted through SAT and ACT screening. This was found to be racist, mysogynist, and white supremist.

It's white supremacist, of course, because people from east Asian ethnic background performed best on those tests ...

44 posted on 11/20/2023 7:50:41 AM PST by NorthMountain (... the right of the peopIe to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: NorthMountain

We are saying the same thing just different ways.

You should know you have an interest in being an engineer, you don’t need to know exactly what type.

But if you don’t have the slightest idea what you might want to do in life and just go borrow money to enroll in college and then take some useless major that wont help you in the slightest because it is “easy” and will allow you time to party. That is going to have a bad ending.


45 posted on 11/20/2023 7:51:13 AM PST by TexasFreeper2009
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To: Highest Authority

You can accomplish that by housing Palestinian refugees at these universities, then circle the perimeter with armed guards and concertina wire.


46 posted on 11/20/2023 7:53:21 AM PST by Night Hides Not (Remember the Alamo! Remember Goliad! Remember Gonzales! Come and Take It!)
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To: Grampa Dave

No state is going to give up its state supported universities even if it’s only to keep the football and basketball teams going.


47 posted on 11/20/2023 7:54:09 AM PST by Reily (!!)
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To: texas booster

Hiring a lefist radical, schooled in protest and disrespect for authority, private property and ‘workers’ rights’ is just asking for trouble. They will immediately begin sowing their learned hate and discontent among your employees like a cancerous tumor. .............What could possibly go wrong?>.🤦‍♂️ ...............


48 posted on 11/20/2023 7:54:52 AM PST by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegal aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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To: dfwgator
Learning HOW to think is certainly an important objective, but not the only or even the primary objective. The primary objective is to gain mastery of one's chosen "major" field of study.

This produces a useful education if and only if the "major" field of study is inherently legitimate.

49 posted on 11/20/2023 7:55:20 AM PST by NorthMountain (... the right of the peopIe to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: Grampa Dave

Maybe only 10 to 20 % of our colleges are worth saving, and some of those need to remove their vile left wing so called professors!

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50 posted on 11/20/2023 7:56:06 AM PST by Grampa Dave ( A nyone, who can make you believe in absurdities, can make you commit atrocities!!" ~ (Voltaire)!, )
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To: TexasFreeper2009

That’s what over 50% of college\university students do!
The schools count on that for their financial bottom line.


51 posted on 11/20/2023 7:58:09 AM PST by Reily (!!)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

That’s what over 50% of college\university students do!
The schools count on that for their financial bottom line.


52 posted on 11/20/2023 7:58:17 AM PST by Reily (!!)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

It seems to me, at this point, that any disagreement between us is insignificant, and best aired over pizza and beer ...

;’}


53 posted on 11/20/2023 7:58:33 AM PST by NorthMountain (... the right of the peopIe to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: Brian Griffin
Uncle Sam paid my college expenses, with two potential outcomes: graduate in 4 years and go into the Army as a 2nd LT, or enter the Army as a Spec 4 if you didn’t graduate.

I chose the first outcome, my parents didn’t have to pay a dime.

54 posted on 11/20/2023 7:58:50 AM PST by Night Hides Not (Remember the Alamo! Remember Goliad! Remember Gonzales! Come and Take It!)
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To: null and void; aragorn; EnigmaticAnomaly; kalee; Kale; AZ .44 MAG; Baynative; bgill; bitt; ...

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55 posted on 11/20/2023 8:09:11 AM PST by bitt (<img src=' 'width=30%>)
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To: NorthMountain
The primary objective is to gain mastery of one's chosen "major" field of study.

If you're talking a Masters Degree or PHd, I agree. But the purpose of undergraduate education is to learn how to think.

56 posted on 11/20/2023 8:12:49 AM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: MtnClimber

I think it would take an EMP to end universities...and they will have brought it on themselves, and all of us.


57 posted on 11/20/2023 8:20:18 AM PST by goodnesswins ( We pretend to vote and they pretend to count the votes.)
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To: dfwgator

If all I had learned while earning my Bachelor of Science degree in Physics was “how to think”, I would have been robbed of 4 years’ tuition.

One declares a “major”, and pursues it, for good reason.

I posit the following:
1) One who completes a Bachelor’s Degree without having learned how to think has been robbed of 4 years’ tuition.

2) One who completes a Bachelor’s Degree ONLY having learned how to think has been robbed of 4 years’ tuition.


58 posted on 11/20/2023 8:21:38 AM PST by NorthMountain (... the right of the peopIe to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

“””But if you don’t have the slightest idea what you might want to do in life and just go borrow money to enroll in college and then take some useless major that wont help you in the slightest because it is “easy” and will allow you time to party.”””


I graduated from college many decades ago and I still remember some of my fellow students who focused their education on classes that were easy. Whereas, most of my fellow students were going to college in order to get a better job than a high graduate would get.

Fast forward to today and it is my belief that courses like gender studies are deemed by the students as a degree where the course work is ‘easy’ and where they can get an ‘A’ grade. Hence, that is why these worthless degrees like gender studies are so popular.


59 posted on 11/20/2023 8:24:12 AM PST by Presbyterian Reporter
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To: Presbyterian Reporter

sorry for the typo:

I graduated from college many decades ago and I still remember some of my fellow students who focused their education on classes that were easy. Whereas, most of my fellow students were going to college in order to get a better job than a high SCHOOL graduate would get.


60 posted on 11/20/2023 8:26:39 AM PST by Presbyterian Reporter
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