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Ukraine's Armor Appears To Have A Russian Attack Helicopter Problem
The Warzone via Yahoo ^ | June 15th, 2023 | Thomas Newdick

Posted on 06/15/2023 3:55:56 PM PDT by Mariner

As Ukraine presses on with its counteroffensive in the south and east, making incremental advances in the process, there is evidence that Russia may be starting to enjoy more aerial access over critical areas near the front lines.

As Russia continues to adapt its application of air power, after a fairly dismal start to the campaign, some of its aircraft are now able to operate in a less restricted way, or at least Russia is willing to take on more risk in doing so. Either way, this will put further pressure on the Ukrainian forces, raising questions, in particular, about the availability of mobile short-range air defense systems, or SHORAD. At the very least, as Ukraine gets away from its more entrenched and fixed air defense capabilities, the importance of SHORAD is only going to be underscored.

As The War Zone has discussed in the past, SHORAD is fundamental to the protection of friendly units close to the front lines, including armored ones, defending them against a wide variety of aerial threats, ranging from low-flying fixed-wing aircraft and helicopters to larger drones and cruise missiles, and even smaller drones carrying improvised explosive devices.

Speaking recently about the counteroffensive in the Zaporizhzhia region, in the southeast of the country, Deputy Minister of Defense of Ukraine Hanna Malyar noted: “Our troops are moving in the conditions of extremely fierce battles,” before pointing to the particular threat posed by “the enemy’s aviation and artillery superiority.” President Zelensky echoed those same sentiments recently, as well.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aviation; russia; ukraine
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Advancing into the teeth of Russian air superiority, and without air defense.

I don't know why everyone thinks this offensive may go on for months.

1 posted on 06/15/2023 3:55:56 PM PDT by Mariner
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To: Mariner

Thomas Newdick?


2 posted on 06/15/2023 3:59:40 PM PDT by deks
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To: deks

Yeah, he’s back on the newsbeat. He just got out of surgery.


3 posted on 06/15/2023 4:03:58 PM PDT by BipolarBob (I was going to start procrastinating this year, I just haven't got around to it.)
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To: Mariner

Thomas Newdick?

Nah.

5.56mm


4 posted on 06/15/2023 4:07:36 PM PDT by M Kehoe (Quid Pro Joe and the Ho have got to go)
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To: Mariner

The funny thing about Air Supremacy... Yeah. Good luck with that, when all of your ground forces are pinned down and can’t maneuver. Better stock up on feet-thick concrete bunkers.


5 posted on 06/15/2023 4:10:46 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (America -- July 4, 1776 to November 3, 2020 -- R.I.P.)
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To: Mariner

Clearly, American boys and girls must be sent to save the Nazi/Soros/GloboHomo regime in Kiev.


6 posted on 06/15/2023 4:12:12 PM PDT by Trumpisourlastchance
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To: Mariner

The USA continues to spend its treasure on an endless conflict with little national interest while China bloodlessly and effectively infiltrates Cuba and South America.


7 posted on 06/15/2023 4:19:56 PM PDT by beekay (Missing Trump yet? )
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To: M Kehoe

I think it’s a joke name sir.

Like Sillius Sodin or Biggus Dickus.

(From Life of Brian)


8 posted on 06/15/2023 4:26:03 PM PDT by packagingguy
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To: Mariner

I don’t know why everyone thinks this offensive may go on for months.
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Maybe they should start listening to Vlad, his people are united, and like Trump, does what he says:

Putin’s speech ( translated):
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“We were forced to try to end the war that the West started in 2014 by force of arms. And Russia will end this war by force of arms, freeing the entire territory of the former Ukraine from the United States and Ukrainian Nazis. There are no other options.

The Ukrainian army of the US and NATO will be defeated, no matter what new types of weapons it receives from the West. The more weapons there are, the fewer Ukrainians and what used to be Ukraine will remain.

Direct intervention by NATO’s European armies will not change the outcome. But in this case, the fire of war will engulf the whole of Europe. It looks like the US is ready for that too.”
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The West is willing but not able……and here we are, bodes not well for the collective West.


9 posted on 06/15/2023 4:27:18 PM PDT by delta7
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Russian air faced a huge number of US supplied stinger anti air MANPADS. The stingers really bled the Russians, but the Ukrainians used the stingers indiscriminately and wasted them. The US has now run out of stingers to send Ukrainians so they are working with much less sophisticated weapons which do not work as well. The EU has a very limited supply of advanced MANPADS and they are not able to send very many to Ukraine. The Ukrainians are burning through Patriot missile stores at a pretty brisk clip. At some point in the near future they will run out of those as well. This is insanity. Rather than pressuring the Ukrainians into trying to execute ill advised combined arms assaults that waste weapons and still get thrashed, we should be fortifying the Ukrainian defensive lines and pressuring the Russians to agree to a cease fire on the best possible terms for the Ukraine because the best possible terms are getting lest best and lest possible as the Ukrainians get weaker as time goes by
10 posted on 06/15/2023 4:32:59 PM PDT by rdcbn1
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To: M Kehoe

Do I wanna know what 5.56mm has to do with Newdick?


11 posted on 06/15/2023 4:36:23 PM PDT by dangus ( )
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“Ukraine’s Armor Appears To Have A Russian Attack Helicopter Problem”

Nice try, pal, but EVERYONE KNOWS that Yahoo News, like the NY Times (who’s reporting the same), are Putin PUPPETS.

You Putin Puffers need to come up with better sources.


12 posted on 06/15/2023 4:37:59 PM PDT by BobL
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LOL! More Putin fan-boy propaganda. Russian air superiority?? Bwahahahaha! The Russian army is a clown show commanded by clowns. Their drunk troops have more mental competence in stealing toilets, washing machines and toasters... then their commanders can come up with a plan to capture an outhouse behind enemy lines. But they are definitely experts at being drunkards on Vodka and executing innocent men, women and children.

The clown who cut and pasted this tripe is delusional and needs to get off his own Vodka drunkenness.

Very funny article.

But the idiot author is correct on one point... With such a calamitous clown Russian command and 3-stooges military, I don’t see the offensive lasting more than 4-6 months. Ukraine shouldn’t require more than 6 months to sweep the Vodka Gomer Brigades back to their favorite watering holes in Mother Russia.

I would rate Russian military about on par with adolescent teenage hooligans and undisciplined criminal Nazi skin-heads.


13 posted on 06/15/2023 4:39:05 PM PDT by Bellagio
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To: rdcbn1

I’ve been shocked and horrified to see FR turn into a bastion of anti-American neo-Soviets who rejoice at every attempt to spin anything into a victory for the Stalinists.

But your analysis does make sense. Russia is “defeated” in the sense that Kiev will never be Russian, but neither will Crimea ever be Ukrainian. And it’s increasingly likely that much of the Donbas is unattainable. We should accept that reality and instead of conquering Moscow, our goal should be containing Russia, eliminating the danger of further aggression.


14 posted on 06/15/2023 4:42:39 PM PDT by dangus ( )
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I don't know why everyone thinks this offensive may go on for months.

"Perhaps most critically, Russian military bloggers are now more frequently citing the successes of these combat helicopters. There are unconfirmed reports of dozens of Ukrainian armored vehicles being destroyed in recent fighting in the Zaporizhzhia region and elsewhere in the east."

Because in a war that has gone one for 15 months, a new offensive is not going to end over unconfirmed reports from the side getting attacked. Particularly when pilots and gunners cannot tell the difference between armored vehicles and farm equipment.

15 posted on 06/15/2023 4:49:14 PM PDT by Widget Jr (🇺🇦 Слава Україні! 🇺🇦 Sláva Ukrayíni! 🇺🇦 ☭ No CCCP 2.0 ☭)
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Thats the case, but the US has squandered what amounts to the entire combined annual defense budgets of most countries to fuel and prolong the Ukraine conflict and they do not be humiliated and have to explain the damage they have caused to the Ukraine and to the US military readiness by their failed attempt to bleed Russia with a protracted proxy war in Ukraine. . Not to mention 300,000 + Ukrainians dead. All to no good purpose. What a tragic waste. And the CCP watches the feckless, incompetent leadership and contemplates it's once in a generation opportunity to move on Taiwan with relative impunity before the 2024 election .
16 posted on 06/15/2023 4:57:44 PM PDT by rdcbn1
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MANPADS? Do you find them in machines in NATO’s new rainbow warrior restrooms?


17 posted on 06/15/2023 4:58:46 PM PDT by hardspunned (Former DC GOP globalist stooge)
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Took me a minute to get that one. Nicely played.
18 posted on 06/15/2023 5:00:22 PM PDT by rdcbn1
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To: BobL

You’re totally out of it.

The Drive / Warzone is first rate.

Biased toward Putin? You’re REALLY out of it.

Or your sarcasm went over my head.


19 posted on 06/15/2023 5:04:17 PM PDT by steve86 (Numquam accusatus, numquam ad curiam ibit, numquam ad carcerem™)
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To: BobL

Clown!


20 posted on 06/15/2023 5:14:56 PM PDT by foundedonpurpose (Praise Hashem, for his restoration of all things! )
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