Posted on 12/23/2022 12:40:13 PM PST by Twotone
In an attempt to decarbonize the environment, the Milwaukie City Council recently voted 3-2 to ban gas piping from connecting to new residential buildings after March 1, 2024, and unanimously approved a measure to begin replacing gas systems in city buildings with electrical energy, according to the Portland Business Journal. The decisions, which outraged NW Natural officials, follow a ban on natural gas in new residential buildings adopted four months ago by city officials in Eugene. The region’s largest natural gas utility expressed disappointment in the lack of scientific analysis and public engagement before the vote to remove an energy option from residents. Eugene recenlty debated limiting natural gas in new housing units.
As many Oregonians are under extreme ice conditions this weekend, it is important to note that 20x more people die from excessive cold than excessive heat. Natural gas is not only a good lower carbon alternative but it is also an additional heating/power source when electricity goes down.
Three people decided this.
It doesn’t cut it, it was 2 degrees this morning and 10 now in North Alabama. Heat pump hardly shuts off, can’t get the house above 65 and supplementing with 3 portable 1500 watt heaters. It’s warmer in my 3 greenhouses right now which burn propane.
Beyond stupid.
It's simple. Follow the MONEY!
Someone or "SOMEONES" who stand to profit GREATLY orchestrated this to intentionally happen.
The electricity to heat these new buildings will be produced from... wait for it... wait.... Natural Gas!!!
Yep, the climate BS is all about Power, Control and unlimited funding.
Absolutely psychotic .
Wait, what???
Stoopider and stoopider.
Oregon certainly has hydroelectric power.
But why don't they do this scientifically, instead of politically demonizing natural gas imo, and keep the gas system to compare actual results of which system is more economical to maintain over the course of a few years.
After all, emerging EV technology lithium batteries don't like cold weather.
In fact, EV escapists seem to not only ignore that cold lithium batteries currently do not hold a charge, but cold lithiums are said to take longer to charge.
EV CHARGING IN COLD TEMPERATURES COULD POSE CHALLENGES FOR DRIVERS (non-FR; 7.30.2018)
True that, fellow Alabamian. I have a variable speed heat pump supplemented with heat strips. Thus, I'm depending a lot on heat strips, at times my entire electrical load is 11kW (over 10kW is for heating). My load has gone up and down a lot today, so my solar (maxing at 17kW today) was able to keep up for a while and charge my home solar batteries some without me pulling from the grid for a while, but not nearly enough charge is in my batteries to power my all-electric home through the night tonight. I'll pull from the grid a lot tonight.
That's the thing about solar and wind. Even in a seemingly perfect environment like mine it's not 100% dependable. For the whole year I'll pull about 20% of my power from the grid, with the other 80% coming from solar. That's not shabby, especially considering my two-story house is all-electric, and my wife and I do most of our driving in our EV. So kudos to the solar system, it's saving me enough money month-by-month and is on track to pay for itself in about the 10th year; I'll still have years left beyond that on the warranties for the batteries and panels.
But the Dims are crazy in thinking solar and wind are complete replacements for fossil fuels even in a good situation for solar like I'm in. And it's certainly not a one-size-fits-all plan anyway.
NW Gas is traded on the New York Stock Exchange and its facilities are privately owned.
The emissions from natural gas-fired boilers and furnaces include nitrogen oxides (NOx), carbon monoxide (CO), and carbon dioxide (CO2), methane (CH4), nitrous oxide (N2O), volatile organic compounds (VOCs), trace amounts of sulfur dioxide (SO2), and particulate matter (PM).
When natural gas is burned properly, by-products of combustion are primarily carbon dioxide and water vapor. Because methane contains only one carbon atom, natural gas produces less carbon dioxide than any other fossil fuel, and fewer other pollutants as well.
Eugene and Milwaukie are both liberal hellholes here in Oregon.
Yes, these decisions are utter insane asylum level crazy.
Oregon has access to some of the largest and cheapest NG supplies in the world thanks to our connections through Washington state and Canada. We should pretty much ALWAYS have the cheapest and cleanest heating anywhere on earth.
The carbon crazyness has got to stop up here. NG burns cleaner than almost any other option we can manage and while we don’t have the coldest freezing winters in the Pacific NW we have VERY LONG COLD WET winters where we need heat in some form for about half the year.
NG unlike propane is a nice DRY gas heat. It keeps all of our homes and buildings comfortable and in good dry condition.
It’s the perfect heat source here. And we have hundreds of years of reserves of it.
Brainwashed adult children are in charge.
> replacing gas systems in city buildings with electrical energy,
Do they know their electricity doesn’t come from lightning?
Is Milwaukee in Oregon?
Gas infrastructure depends on being able to contain the necessary pressure that's needed to move gas to customers. Older pipes leak and the cost to dig up and replace all the leaky pipes is prohibitive. It's all or nothing. You can't bring the pressure up on new pipes without increasing the leaks in the older ones, so you can't upgrade the taxpaying areas and ignore the subsidized ones. These failed Democrat cities in particular don't have enough paying customers to float bonds for the work.
Some municipalities were able to run composite sleeves inside the old pipes, but those that can't are stuck.
Many of these cities put these gas lines more than a century ago with the delusion that they'd last forever. The lines were not designed and installed to be serviceable. I witnessed one gas junction that took a month to replace and involved redirecting major highway traffic during the mid-days and again on the overnights. I can't imagine what that cost, and it was for only one junction.
Are liberals simply brain dead? Yes, yes they are.
Replacing gas systems in city buildings with electrical energy
Shouldn’t take longer than a 100 yeas as much as power failures grow.
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