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Ukraine and Poland forge ‘special relationship’ as war brings neighbours closer
Financial times ^ | 22 December 2022 | Raphael Minder, Barbara Erling

Posted on 12/23/2022 3:55:26 AM PST by Cronos

Journalist Anna Budyńska was among the grassroots army of Polish volunteers who rushed to help Ukrainian refugees as they began crossing the border in February to escape Russia’s invasion.

At first, she and her partner donated money and collected food and blankets for refugees arriving in Warsaw. But she wanted to do more to understand those whom she was helping and decided to learn Ukrainian.

“I suddenly realised that I had always loved to travel to western Europe, India or Mexico, but I had never visited Ukraine, knew nothing about Ukrainian culture and only a little bit about its history that was taught at school,”

Polish historian Maciej Franz said 2022 would be remembered as “a special year of integration” between “two nations that were isolated from each other by politics half a century ago, and even earlier by hatred and hostility, which was the result of the nationalism that raged between the mid-19th and 20th centuries”.

He said his country was helping Ukraine “because we know what it’s like to be under [Russian] occupation and how terrible it can be”.

... About 1.3mn Ukrainians lived in Poland before Russia’s full-scale invasion in February, and the number has more than doubled since then.

Their presence has given Poles a new sense of kinship with and respect for their neighbours.

...“We share a distinct fatalism and the same history of Russian imperialism, so many Polish people feel that the same kind of Russian aggression could once more await us,”

... Since February, Poland’s military and political support has been unwavering, even after Poland and Nato attributed an accidental missile strike that killed two Polish farm workers last month to the Ukrainian army. In the aftermath, Polish prime minister Mateusz Morawiecki said that “it is in our best interest to help Ukraine”.

(Excerpt) Read more at ft.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: barbaraerling; notourwar; raphaelminder; russianaggression; russianimperialism
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To: House Atreides

You made a false statement and I’m going to remind you of the error of repeating Kremlin propaganda without thinking


161 posted on 12/23/2022 12:20:05 PM PST by Cronos (.)
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To: Cronos

Well my lying friend, I can prove you have been screaming for blood 🩸 for more than 20 years. I have your posts and I’ll drop them as needed.


162 posted on 12/23/2022 12:33:33 PM PST by JonPreston
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To: bert

Problem long term for the West is Putin has garnered all the scruples. He will be hard to defeat if we have none.


163 posted on 12/23/2022 12:35:49 PM PST by duckln ( )
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To: Cronos

“ You made a false statement and I’m going to remind you of the error of repeating Kremlin propaganda without thinking”
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I speculated/“bet” on a VERY PLAUSIBLE FUTURE development. Without KNOWING the future, how could you possible know that my speculation would turn out to not come about? You don’t KNOW the future, do you?

And what WTF are you talking about with “Kremlin propaganda”? You are seeing things that are not there.


164 posted on 12/23/2022 1:00:34 PM PST by House Atreides (I’m now ULTRA-MAGA. -PRO-MA)
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To: BobL

Ethnicity is not the same as nationality. You can be a patriotic Ukrainian of Russian ancestry, just as it was patriotic American colonists who rebelled against England despite being of overwhelmingly English ancestry.


165 posted on 12/23/2022 1:15:04 PM PST by Bruce Campbells Chin ( )
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin

[We saw in the Gulf War and again in the invasion of Iraq what happened when a Soviet trained and equipped army went up against US forces in a conventional war, and it wasn’t pretty. This war has confirmed that verdict. ]


They claimed the Iraqis were operating monkey model export versions. Given what they’re seeing today, I gotta wonder what foreign customers for Russian gear are thinking about the stuff in their inventory. I understand most of those customers purchased their equipment for internal security rather than warding off invaders. Pax Americana has really dialed down any need for a robust military. Even so, the Russian invasion has demonstrated that a determined foreign invader can destroy a ton of your infrastructure using just artillery, tank and mortar shells if not stopped at the border.


166 posted on 12/23/2022 10:22:58 PM PST by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room)
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To: BobL

Nope, those are selected images.

Besides which you first claim that western media is not worth reading then you give instances of it?

Read what Ukrainians themselves write about azov. And read the facts that they had Jews, Armenians, Georgians etc as their members and were initially Russian speakers.


167 posted on 12/24/2022 12:14:45 AM PST by Cronos (.)
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To: JonPreston

I’m not your friend nor lying.

You, however, Ivan, have been doing that since December of 2021 claiming no invasion


168 posted on 12/24/2022 12:15:31 AM PST by Cronos (.)
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To: JonPreston

I’m not your friend nor lying.

You, however, Ivan, have been doing that since December of 2021 claiming no invasion


169 posted on 12/24/2022 12:15:32 AM PST by Cronos (.)
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To: House Atreides

And your speculation is wrong, just as your earlier speculations about Ukraine surrendering or other countries betting involved.

This war is about Putin’s ego. He kills Ukrainians and Russians for his own power politics


170 posted on 12/24/2022 12:16:51 AM PST by Cronos (.)
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To: duckln

What scruples has Putin gathered?


171 posted on 12/24/2022 12:18:11 AM PST by Cronos (.)
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To: Cronos

You’ve said you want to “round up” “rag heads” and shoot them. It’s pure hate by a man who will be asking others to join him in prayer tomorrow. Do you see why I call you a religious hypocrite?


172 posted on 12/24/2022 4:38:52 AM PST by JonPreston
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To: Cronos

How many troops have each one sent? Advisors? Any real “skin in the game” (beyond paper)?


173 posted on 12/24/2022 5:21:38 AM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: Zhang Fei

The people procuring weapons look a bit deeper than media propaganda.
You know why Ukraine is not getting any American tanks and airplanes.
They’d simply going to turn into junk, just like thousands of the Ukrainian tanks and hundreds of aircraft.
It can’t be allowed because the myth is that only the Russian equipment gets destroyed.


174 posted on 12/24/2022 6:00:21 AM PST by NorseViking
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To: Cronos

“Nope, those are selected images.”

Too funny. Do you believe the Holocaust happened?


175 posted on 12/24/2022 6:11:22 AM PST by BobL
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To: Cronos
What scruples has Putin gathered?

ethical or moral principles that govern a person's thoughts and actions

examples , prolife, pro family, pro Christianity, anti woke, pro national sovereignty, anti global ETC.

176 posted on 12/24/2022 7:49:19 AM PST by duckln ( )
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To: BobL

Of course it happened, just as the Holodomor happened and just as the Russian massacre of civilians in Bucha happened


177 posted on 12/24/2022 8:24:01 AM PST by Cronos (.)
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To: kearnyirish2

They won’t send any troops.

The Ukrainians don’t want Polish troops either as it would lead to the same false accusations of Poland in the west that you see on this thread


178 posted on 12/24/2022 8:25:33 AM PST by Cronos (.)
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To: vladimir998

“Yeah, I actually have a PhD in history...”

Bwahahahah! Oh, my goodness gracious me. That is too damn funny, but okay if you say so, I guess we all take your word for it. /s

You are truly pathetic.

Bwahahahahahaha hahahahaha...deep breath...bwahahahahha hahahaha hahahahaha..... Oh, lordy me! Please stop! I’m gonna pee myself! Bwahahahahahaha hahahahahah hahahaha.


179 posted on 12/24/2022 10:43:54 AM PST by Four of Six
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To: vladimir998; NorseViking

“Yeah, I actually have a PhD in history...”

Bwahahahah! Oh, my goodness gracious me. That is too damn funny, but okay if you say so, I guess we all take your word for it. /s

You are truly pathetic.

Bwahahahahahaha hahahahaha...deep breath...bwahahahahha hahahaha hahahahaha..... Oh, lordy me! Please stop! I’m gonna pee myself! Bwahahahahahaha hahahahahah hahahaha.


180 posted on 12/24/2022 10:45:57 AM PST by Four of Six
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