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Trump team finds two documents with classified markings in a Florida storage unit
CNN ^ | Kaitlin Collins and Sara Murray

Posted on 12/07/2022 2:11:01 PM PST by joesbucks

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To: joesbucks
Presidential records, what constitutes them, who’s responsible for them and the treatment of them are governed by 44 U.S.C. Chapter 22. You’ll find your answers there.

In other words you are unable to articulate grounds for your assertion but don't want to admit it.

61 posted on 12/08/2022 6:54:17 AM PST by AndyTheBear
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To: AndyTheBear

Wouldn’t you rather get it from the horses mouth? Or was your comment just a deflection? Nobody does it better than the source.


62 posted on 12/08/2022 7:30:51 AM PST by joesbucks
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To: BlackbirdSST

Ah, now you can do better than that. BTW, what time is mass today to worship the Devine?


63 posted on 12/08/2022 7:35:08 AM PST by joesbucks
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To: joesbucks
BTW, what time is mass today to worship the Devine?

With every post like this you show the world how simple and weak minded you are.

64 posted on 12/08/2022 7:38:13 AM PST by BlackbirdSST (Trump WON!!! He will win 2024!)
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To: joesbucks
You are the horse that said those particular documents (of which you an I do not even know the nature of) do not belong with him.

The regulations that you sent me to do not establish your assertion, as they do not tell me what those particular documents are.

You are the horse. It is your mouth I wait for to articulate how you know that these particular documents do not belong with him.

Speak horse. Speak.

65 posted on 12/08/2022 7:46:02 AM PST by AndyTheBear
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To: BlackbirdSST

Only in the mind of a few.


66 posted on 12/08/2022 9:05:31 AM PST by joesbucks
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To: AndyTheBear
No. I am not associated with the National Archives. But you can find all the information you need at https://www.archives.gov/about/laws/index.html#presrec

Have an issue or question, they are the experts.

67 posted on 12/08/2022 9:09:09 AM PST by joesbucks
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To: joesbucks
It is now obvious you lack grounds for your assertion that the particular documents belong in the archive.

The only thing remaining is the challenge of how you save face after trying to pretend like you did. You are doing a poor job.

In the future the better approach is avoid making claims you have no grounds for and pretending you did when asked for the grounds.

68 posted on 12/08/2022 9:43:43 AM PST by AndyTheBear
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To: AndyTheBear

You’ve challenged nothing but me. You’ve not asserted your reason for the raid nor the documents taken were illegal and wrong. I’ve presented the exact wording that I believe covers the taking of those documents. Seems to me you’ve come to the debate fight without supporting documentation.


69 posted on 12/08/2022 1:36:01 PM PST by joesbucks
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a search by a team hired by former President Donald Trump’s lawyers

So Trump proactively was searching for documents his government team should not have retained FOR him.

70 posted on 12/08/2022 1:37:59 PM PST by 1Old Pro
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To: AndyTheBear

Actually it matters little what we think. It’s up to his lawyers and law enforcement to litigate their methods and reasons. Unless there is some sort of settlement, a judge or jury will decide the outcome.


71 posted on 12/08/2022 1:38:11 PM PST by joesbucks
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To: 1Old Pro

Trump WASN’T being proactive. Trump’s lawyers found the documents after the former president retained an outside firm to search four locations after a federal judge ordered his legal team to conduct a more thorough search to make sure all documents marked classified had been returned to the government. The judge put it on the attorneys since they are officers of the court and have a lot at risk if they aren’t honest brokers.


72 posted on 12/08/2022 1:42:09 PM PST by joesbucks
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You’ve challenged nothing but me.

I have challenged a groundless assertion you made that the particular documents belonged to us. Not the whole of you.

You’ve not asserted your reason for the raid nor the documents taken were illegal and wrong.

Well yes I have made no assertions on the matter of the rightness or wrongness of the raid in this discussion.

I’ve presented the exact wording that I believe covers the taking of those documents.

After making an assertion you did not have grounds for and being challenged on the common sense of it, you quoted the relevant statute and insisted it backed you up. It did not back you up however. It made it clear that there were situations where a President can keep documents and situations where he can't and got into details. However with the relevant documents you had made your assertions about you did not give any grounds at all for thinking it fell into the category that he could not keep.

Seems to me you’ve come to the debate fight without supporting documentation.

I challenged an assumption you made that seemed groundless. You still have not managed to supply grounds but you still keep trying to change the subject to save face. You could just admit that upon reflection you did not have grounds for your assertion. Thats up to you. I am not trying to debate you, I am trying to embarass you into honesty.

73 posted on 12/08/2022 2:42:10 PM PST by AndyTheBear
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To: AndyTheBear
A court will decide it all.

I suppose had Clinton or Obama had done the same thing you’d be cool with that too?

74 posted on 12/08/2022 2:51:20 PM PST by joesbucks
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To: joesbucks

“It’s been reported elsewhere.”

What the WaPo?

ROFL!!!

They’re not exactly a beacon of honest journalism either.


75 posted on 12/08/2022 4:10:39 PM PST by 2CAVTrooper (One Nation, Under Fraud Completely Visible, With Spying and Lying To All.)
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And what are the odds this was planted by the FBI?

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about 99.9 %

76 posted on 12/08/2022 4:17:50 PM PST by pollywog (" O thou who changest not....ABIDE with me")
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To: joesbucks

“But whether sensitive or not, they weren’t his to take. They belong to us.”

Every President removes documents and/or copies of documents from the White House upon leaving office. Most in turn are handed over to their respective Presidential Libraries.

But I forgot.... According to the democrats and shrub-league RINO never Trumpers, President Trump was never legitimately elected and therefore isn’t entitled to the rights and privileges extended to other Presidents.🙄


77 posted on 12/08/2022 4:23:19 PM PST by 2CAVTrooper (One Nation, Under Fraud Completely Visible, With Spying and Lying To All.)
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To: joesbucks

“Wouldn’t you rather get it from the horses mouth?”

In your case, you must get it from the donkey’s sphincter.


78 posted on 12/08/2022 4:35:08 PM PST by 2CAVTrooper (One Nation, Under Fraud Completely Visible, With Spying and Lying To All.)
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To: 2CAVTrooper

I would probably qualify as a Never Trumper. But I’ve never claimed he wasn’t legitimately elected. As for the transfer of articles to the archive, there may have been items that were later discovered to have not been turned over when departing. It seems there have been more than oversights. And promises of we’re being honest and you have it all, only to find the definition of honesty has been compomised. Ok. Whored. It’s telling when no one……let me repeat no one will attest that it’s all been turned over.


79 posted on 12/08/2022 4:49:22 PM PST by joesbucks
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To: 2CAVTrooper

It’s been widely reported. Fox, Newsmax and of course the MSM.


80 posted on 12/08/2022 7:16:52 PM PST by joesbucks
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