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To: CatHerd

I will tell you that have am personally good friends with 2 people severely injured from the vax. Both have heart issues now that prevent them from doing anything strenuous. One was an avid gym rat and after the 2nd shot they found him on a major road collapsed. A women saw him and called the police. They initially thought he was hit by a car. He awoke in the hospital and said he just blacked out. Happened 2 more times whenever he exerted himself. He is not allowed to do that anymore. Another co-worker has severe Bells Palsy. Hard for him because he’s in face to face sales and people stare at his face.


92 posted on 12/01/2022 6:23:14 AM PST by bc42875
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To: bc42875

I am so sorry about your friends. I had Bell’s Palsy many years ago when I was in my early 30s. It is quite distressing and embarrassing. I had to get what I called “Frankenstein treatments” at the doctors office. He hooked up electrodes to the paralyzed half of my face and made it twitch oddly.

I felt so sorry for my friend and neighbor who had it in high school. Can you imagine the embarrassment of having it at that age?

I do hope your friends get better soon. I have no idea whether your friends were injured by the vaccine or not. A high percentage of people got vaccinated in one year, and people, yes even gym rats, develop heart conditions (and other conditions and illnesses) every year. A fitness freak gym rat type neighbor of mine suddenly developed heart problems back in the 1980s. He was in his 50s but looked much younger. We were all shocked and so saddened.

Some people are quick to blame the vaccines for every single disease, whether heart condition, cancer, kidney, digestive issues, you name it, the vaccines are blamed. It’s called confirmation bias. We all have confirmation bias to one extent or another, depending on the subject and how emotionally invested we are in it. Perhaps I’m one of those people who happen to have a higher tolerance for ambiguity than usual, but I am putting a question mark on most claims that this or that malady was definitely caused in a person by the vaccines without better evidence.

What about Bell’s Palsy? Well, if your friend lives in a country where the AstraZenica vaccines were given, it’s quite possible the vaccine did cause it. If Pfizer or Moderna, no. See:

https://www.infectiousdiseaseadvisor.com/home/topics/covid19/bell-palsy-guillain-barre-syndrome-rare-following-covid-19-vaccination/

The Pfizer and Modern a vaccines do carry an elevated risk for myocarditis, especially among young males. But let’s put it in perspective.

Myocarditis and mRNA Covid vaccines:

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2788346

Myocarditis and smallpox vaccines:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5878341/

According to the BMJ article:

“Retrospective studies confirmed with prospective studies show that >10% of patients receiving the smallpox vaccine develop new-onset dyspnoea, chest pain or palpitations.” (page 1) Yikes!

and

“The incidence of confirmed myocarditis secondary to smallpox vaccination is estimated to be 16.1 per 100 000 service members, with a recent Department of Defense study estimating 12 per 100 000 in a review of 730 000 service members.” (See pages 6-7) That’s 0.012% - 0.016% (if I can still do math in my head).

According to the JAMA article, 1626 out of 192,405,448 developed myocarditis after the Covid vaccine. That’s less than 0.08/100,000, right? (yes, please check my math — doing this in my head.). Compared to 12/100,000 to 16/100,000 for the smallpox vaccine.

According to these studies, one is far more likely to develop myocarditis after a smallpox vaccine than a Covid vaccine. Still, there is an elevated risk with the Covid vaccines.

All vaccines (and medications) carry risks. No vaccines work perfectly (aside from a very few, such as rabies vaccine). The Covid vaccines carry some risks, as do smallpox and other vaccines. No, they did not work anything like perfectly at preventing Covid, and lost what efficacy they had over time and as the virus mutated.

Contracting Covid carries risks, some severe and lasting. The vaccines carry risks. It was up to each person to weigh the risks of each and decide. True, all the risks of the vaccines were not known early on, and that seems unfair, but the alternative was to wait ten+ years while the vaccines went through the usual trials. We knew the vaccines were issued via EUA and all long-term side effects were unknown.

Yes, we were told the vaccines were “safe and effective” and it turned out they were not as effective as advertised. They were not perfectly safe, either (but, according to available research, safer than smallpox vaccines when it comes to myocarditis and other issues). It’s possible other long-term side effects might emerge in time. I can understand why people are upset.

I have always been and still am firmly against vaccine mandates. It is especially galling to mandate vaccines issued under an EUA, and should be illegal, IMHO.

It’s easy (and quite fashionable on FR) to blame every illness and every death on the vaccines, and that’s their prerogative. Me, I’m keeping an open mind and waiting for better evidence. Again, I am very sorry about your friends, whatever the cause of their illnesses.


93 posted on 12/01/2022 7:52:06 AM PST by CatHerd (Whoever said "All's fair in love and war" probably never participated in either.)
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