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Putin's dream of Russian victory slips away in Ukraine
bbc.com ^ | October 7, 2022 | Sarah Rainsford

Posted on 10/06/2022 9:54:43 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper

"The truth is on our side and truth is strength!" Vladimir Putin boomed into a microphone on Red Square last week, after a grand ceremony at which he proclaimed four large chunks of Ukrainian territory to be part of Russia.

"Victory will be ours!"

But in the real world, things look very different.

Even as Russia's president signed his illegal annexation treaties in the Kremlin, Ukrainian forces were advancing inside the areas he had just seized. Hundreds of thousands of men have been fleeing Russia rather than be drafted to fight in an expanding war.

And things are going so badly on the battlefield that Mr Putin and his loyalists are now reframing what they once claimed was the "de-Nazification" of Ukraine and the protection of Russian speakers as an existential fight against the entire "collective" West.

That is the truth and none of it is on Russia's side.

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To: Cathi

So you’re posting about an attack on a barracks and you think that somehow fantasies away that Russia is retreating AND

The Russian War effort is now so bad that countless official sources in Russia are publicly wailing against their own military establishment.


121 posted on 10/07/2022 3:54:42 AM PDT by Williams (Stop Tolerating The Intolerant)
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To: ganeemead

Sounds like HIMARS.

Except HIMARS is more accurate, faster (better response time at range), bigger warhead, and has US recon satellite coverage + signals intelligence to find its targets.

The “next generation of the things” is a wishlist that requires several R&D breakthroughs that arent likely to happen anytime in the next few years. The “can hit moving targets” requires real time observation from a great distance or a high order of AI autonomy. Not here, not now.

The Russians could get something like HIMARS if they developed a JDAM-type package for Uragan. But they are far from doing that.


122 posted on 10/07/2022 4:06:07 AM PDT by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Ukraine is not fighting this war. The US is fighting Russia.

US weapons, US intelligence, US satellites, US guidance systems, US military personnel on the ground leading, advising and training.

It is not even a proxy war.


123 posted on 10/07/2022 4:10:48 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (We are being manipulated by forces that most do not see)
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To: buwaya

The Russian version of something like himars is more accurate and has greater range than himars, but all missiles are expensive. The little bomb drones aren’t expensive, that’s the point.


124 posted on 10/07/2022 4:17:05 AM PDT by ganeemead
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To: Erik Latranyi

Drivel....... balderdacious ignorant drivel

The Ukranian military using modern weapons supplied by the USA and many other nations is kicking Russian ass.

Neo-isolationist whining is just ridiculous. Vladimir Putin who is an American enemy, is being soundly defeated on the Ukranian battlefields by Ukrainians.

Don’t start calling me a Biden supporter, that is as you well know a lie.


125 posted on 10/07/2022 4:19:53 AM PDT by bert ( (KWE. NP. N.C. +12) Juneteenth is inequality day)
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To: bert

If I use my satellite to locate the enemy, then use my GPS system to obtain coordinates, then give you my missile and tell you to push the button.....did you really destroy that enemy or were you just my button pusher?


126 posted on 10/07/2022 4:28:00 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (We are being manipulated by forces that most do not see)
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To: cranked
The economic implosion of Europe is assured.

What's frightening is what lies on the other side of that. Like governments toppling, invasions, nuclear plant disasters, epidemics, and famine. In the civilized world, a lights-out moment lasts longer than a moment.

127 posted on 10/07/2022 4:32:54 AM PDT by Buttons12 ( )
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To: NY.SS-Bar9

128 posted on 10/07/2022 4:39:45 AM PDT by Travis McGee (EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Erik Latranyi
The Ukrainian is just the proxy button pusher.

Plus Azov/Tornado Nazis.


129 posted on 10/07/2022 4:41:34 AM PDT by Travis McGee (EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Gunslingr3
"Does what happens to Quislings worry you… in particular?"

Nope. Not at all.

1. We're not Norwegians.

2. We're not Germans.

3. We're not Nazis (unlike your beloved Azov and Tornado Nazis)

4. America is not at war with Russia, no matter how much you wish it was.


130 posted on 10/07/2022 4:49:11 AM PDT by Travis McGee (EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee
I appreciate the fact that the war threads are not echo chambers. The way I see i is that tactical gains against Putin come at the cost of strategic losses against Russian and China. If saying we aren't at war with Russia makes me a "Putinista", so be it.

We shouldn't be at war with Russia. We are almost at war with China. Russia will watch that war and spend 20-30 years rearming.

131 posted on 10/07/2022 5:26:44 AM PDT by palmer (Democracy Dies Six Ways from Sunday)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

“That is the truth and none of it is on Russia’s side.”

Translation: Everything in this article is bull, and the situation is desperate.


132 posted on 10/07/2022 6:14:34 AM PDT by sergeantdave
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To: tlozo; Travis McGee

You conveniently failed to rebut the missiles and coup thingies. But hey, your RTX and LMT are doing great.

What would your thoughts be if Russia orchestrated a coup in Mexico and installed a pro-Russian government, put missiles in Cuba and suggested a mutual defense pact with our Southern neighbor?


133 posted on 10/07/2022 6:24:09 AM PDT by NY.SS-Bar9 (Those that vote for a living outnumber those that work for one.)
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To: NY.SS-Bar9

Don’t forget the bio-weapons labs we were running in Uke.


134 posted on 10/07/2022 6:54:13 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: Berlin_Freeper

The loss on the field of battle is trivial to the loss at home.

Mother Russia is not a victor but the victim of an economy that is withering. The prosperity that was is gone. The cosmopolitan flavor is bitter as consumers have nothing to consume. Lacking jobs lost when foreign employers deserted the shops and malls, and industries, they have nothing to consume with.

Thus, Vladimir Putin is a two time loser.

His vaunted Russian Army is losing everywhere it is attacked. At home, his economy is wrecked beyond repair within a decade or so.


135 posted on 10/07/2022 7:02:44 AM PDT by bert ( (KWE. NP. N.C. +12) Juneteenth is inequality day)
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To: cranked

Captured Russian guns are being used to shell Russian positions. Captured Russian tanks with a painted over Z are participating in the roll over of Russian positions.


136 posted on 10/07/2022 7:05:32 AM PDT by bert ( (KWE. NP. N.C. +12) Juneteenth is inequality day)
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To: circlecity
Don’t forget the bio-weapons labs we were running in Uke.

This is why FR needs a "like" button.

137 posted on 10/07/2022 8:11:11 AM PDT by NY.SS-Bar9 (Those that vote for a living outnumber those that work for one.)
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To: bert
'Vladimir Putin who is an American enemy, '

Sadly too many are programed and indoctrinated that that is true. Putin has courted the US since day 1, receiving complements from the likes of Bush and Trump (until they too succumbed to the neocon barrage).

He's the underdog but he has two things going for him.

He has scruples and now the rubles.

138 posted on 10/07/2022 8:16:11 AM PDT by duckln ( )
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To: Williams

“yes traitors like that are killed”

How brave of you. That is the thing that blows my mind about all the “slava Ukraine” people on here. They are traitors because they refuse to be freely murdered and are fighting back against the Ukrainian NAZIS? The fact that we have our troops actively involved with these Ukrainian racist bastards make me sick to my stomach. The fact that we are striving to go to WWIII over these monsters leads me to believe God has turned us over to our madness.

I used to think that the battle of Armageddon was depicted with troops on horseback because the prophets had no words for tanks and such. Now I believe they are accurate. Like Einstein said, WW4 will be fought with sticks and stones.


139 posted on 10/07/2022 9:16:29 AM PDT by Dogbert41 (Baruch Ha Ba Ba Shem Adonai!)
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To: Dogbert41

Get some fresh air and wake up.

Their country is under invasion.

The folks that joined their vichy Russian governments will be shot, hung,tried or will run to Russia.

If Russia wins they’ll be despised and assassinated.

That’s reality. you can blather about nazis all you want.


140 posted on 10/07/2022 9:24:01 AM PDT by Williams (Stop Tolerating The Intolerant)
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