Posted on 07/02/2022 10:06:13 AM PDT by DoodleBob
The Supreme Court’s decisions this month involving public education have stirred new debate about the future of public, secular education in this country — but such concerns are not new to advocates of publicly operated and funded public schools.
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...Are common schools dying in America? The common school movement began in the 1800s, an effort to create publicly funded schools for all students....Many progressives across our fractured nation embrace the religious right on one issue: burying the ideal of common schooling.
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Desegregation advocates, for instance, created thousands of inventive magnet schools, which to this day attract multiracial blends of children, enticed by attractive curriculums, from computer science to performing arts. It was a Democratic president, Bill Clinton, who first spawned charter schools with federal dollars in the 1990s, defined as a civil right moment by some on the left, offering liberation of creative educators from a homogenizing schools bureaucracy and suffocating labor rules.
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Cultural diversity and identity politics foster creation of dual-language schools where kids can learn in French or Spanish, or perhaps Armenian or Mandarin. Charter schools serve thousands of poor children in places like South Los Angeles. Then, drive over the Hollywood hills and discover White families hunkered down in their own charter campuses...
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Progressives and mindful conservatives have coalesced to craft a common learning agenda for America’s children. Recall how President George W. Bush joined with the late Sen. Ted Kennedy (D) in 2001 to push for academic standards and to hold educators accountable for better results. Their resulting No Child Left Behind suffered from federal overreach...
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Now the courts and right-wing governors aim to further balkanize society, even allocating taxpayer dollars to further distance groups from one another — through differentiated and unequal forms of schooling....Instead, let’s return to Horace Mann’s aspiration to weave together a more perfect union.
(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...
One can only hope.
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Public schools are here to stay, unless parents start removing their children en masse. Up to now, parents might complain, but they continue to hand their children over to the state to raise day after day. My guess is they always will. And I can’t blame them. They’re forced to pay for it through their taxes. It’s quote-unquote “free,” so why wouldn’t they use it?
It’s a shame because public schools have monopolized the education market. Without public schools, the free market would respond to the needs of families, and parents would have more choices. We see it happen within the homeschool community. Co-ops succeed or fail based on what the families want and where they take their money. Also, co-ops are free to determine who can join. (A few turned my family away based on religious requirements. I thanked them for their time, and they thanked me for my understanding, and that was that. If I’m not forced to pay for it, why would I care that we couldn’t join?)
With that said, all a voucher system does is expand public school into the private school sector. I hated being forced to fund a school system to which I never sent my own children. The taxes were so high that I was forced to sell the house. Whether the school system were secular or religious, I still would oppose funding it.
That equal schooling is education free schooling raising equal illiterates. Equal because the smart kids are migrating to charter schools and home schooling.
“The right-wing majority on the high court ruled 6 to 3 that Maine cannot exclude religious schools from a taxpayer-funded “tuitioning” program that pays for private school tuition when no nearby public high school is available — an assault on the ESTABLISHMENT CLAUSE interest in the separation of church and state.”
What does the “Establishment Clause” state?
“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof”
So, let’s look at the above. What religion is school vouchers establishing or prohibiting? Is it Christianity, Catholicism, Islam, Judaism, or any others?
If one cannot identify the religion, it gets difficult to say that a particular religion is being ‘established’.
“...also seen as an attack on the church/state separation guaranteed in the Constitution”
What part of the Constitution says that?
“Other issues have concerned common school supporters, too, including the resegregation of schools in recent decades”
Where are schools being ‘resegregated’ and by whom?
“But they probably won’t as Abbott is pretty much your typical RINO. Texas is gonna get real expensive.”
Far more than just Abbott, starting with the House Speaker, very little done for our side, even when they’ve had 2/3’s majority and ownership of the State Senate and Governorship...nothing even moves through the House.
“The reason it happened now is that the internet gave them the machinery required to spread their collectivist propaganda into every nook and cranny of American society and culture.”
Not quite - it was absolute trash long before the Internet. Things like new math and whole language were the rage in the 1980s and probably before. The Internet did two things: It made it easier for the teachers to mainstream the grooming of kids, and (combined with the pandemic) made it much easier for parents to finally find accept what the public schools are doing to their kids.
For the second one above, it reminds me of when WW2 ended, we made the local deniers of the Death Camps dig up the bodies that were buried in mass graves, and properly bury them...because, like parents until now, the Germans there simply looked the other way and claimed nothing that bad was going on.
No it’s pretty much dead, schools are dead.
“Ah! Attack the grammar rather than put forth a rational counter argument.”
Grammar was so bad I didn’t know what your argument was!
You have wrongly identified me with another person.
The internet gives the enemy (the communists) a powerful mechanism for dissemination of propaganda with an attached sensor to almost immediately assess its success.
Never before in human history has such a vast command and control apparatus existed for a non-military enterprise. Even the military should be impressed.
If you fail to understand the sea change our country and the world have undergone since 2000, you might want to pull back and look at the big picture.
And if we think the current environment is bad, just wait until AI gets more fully implemented.
You ain't seen nuttin' yet.
“Education is a testament to White Supremacism!”
‘Common schools’ ie government schools were established to counter the ‘threat’ of private Catholic schools, which had been established to help new immigrants. Dewey et al couldn’t stand having Christians and wanted to propagandize kids to be secular. The schools before then - think Little House - the kids were in school for six weeks and then worked in the fields during planting and harvesting. Somehow … they built this country from the ground up. (Public teacher here/ ran screaming, then Homeschooled my own, then Tutored 1:1 and picked up the pieces with kids who were confused.) I say take the whole thing down and take back your kids.
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