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How the 1996 Dunblane Massacre Pushed the U.K. to Enact Stricter Gun Laws
Smithsonian Magazine ^ | March 12, 2021 | Meilan Solly

Posted on 05/26/2022 2:52:16 PM PDT by nickcarraway

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1 posted on 05/26/2022 2:52:16 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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So many killed because the cops didn’t feel “safe”


2 posted on 05/26/2022 2:54:50 PM PDT by roving
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Britain is lost.

L


3 posted on 05/26/2022 2:56:11 PM PDT by Lurker (Peaceful coexistence with the Left is not possible. Stop pretending that it is)
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Scottish law is not the U.S. Constitution. Neither is Smithsonian Magazine.

We should avoid confusing those facts.


4 posted on 05/26/2022 2:57:50 PM PDT by jeffersondem
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Another reason we booted them out of here back in the late 1700’s. UK is NOT the USA.


5 posted on 05/26/2022 2:57:50 PM PDT by rktman (Destroy America from within? Check! WTH? Enlisted USN 1967 to end up with this? 😕)
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Has been for years. They adopted socialism prior to WW2.

I lived there during this massacre. When they gave up their guns without a fight I knew the place was toast. And then they banned fox hunting.


6 posted on 05/26/2022 2:59:15 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Miss you Rush!)
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The uk has no constitutional amendment process. Nothing that guarantees or protects freedom or limits government taking away rights of law abiding folks.

They can change laws on any particular whim or emotion at the drop of a hat. Freedom gone in an instant on hyped-up feelings.


7 posted on 05/26/2022 3:01:38 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; not averse to Going Bronson.)
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Isn’t this the country that allows rape gangs to operate freely?


8 posted on 05/26/2022 3:02:48 PM PDT by Seruzawa ("The Political left is the Garden of Eden of incompetence" - Marx the Smarter (Groucho))
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Why yes, it is the country that lets rape gangs operate freely. And to add insult to injury they’ll arrest you for racism if you point it out.

L


9 posted on 05/26/2022 3:06:25 PM PDT by Lurker (Peaceful coexistence with the Left is not possible. Stop pretending that it is)
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To: Secret Agent Man

The United States no longer has a process to preserve our Constitution.


10 posted on 05/26/2022 3:11:39 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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“So we should do the same here”

Right on cue.


11 posted on 05/26/2022 3:21:07 PM PDT by Skywise
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What other countries do is irrelevant. They have us to protect them from really bad totalitarians. We have no one but ourselves and the 2nd Amendment protects us. In reality, the 2nd Amendment protects the whole world.


12 posted on 05/26/2022 3:26:43 PM PDT by libertylover (Our BIGGEST problem, by far, is that most of the media is hate & agenda driven, not truth driven.)
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Britain prided itself on having an armed citizenry since the Middle Ages.
But after the first World War they began to register all guns claiming it was to “prevent Crime.” Actually it was a fear of RED Communism that they did this.

By the time of WW II British citizens were very disarmed. Then after the disaster at Dunkirk, the British forces fled back to England leaving all their military equipment behind.(Sound familiar?)

Britain was now wide open to invaders, so the came to the US and groveled before their armed Americans and begged...”PLEASE SEND A GUN TO DEFEND A BRITISH HOME!”
And American citizens sent plenty.
https://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/uploads/monthly_2021_02/258181581_SendAGun.jpg.76fbe16bf4ff1187e18a9b25705e6865.jpg
Then Britain again allowed the citizens to own rifles until Dunblane.

Now they have disarmed themselves again. Let’s not do like Britain. We may have crime but no foreign nation has tried invasion yet, except for the Southern Border which BIDEN has purposely left wide open.


13 posted on 05/26/2022 3:37:19 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (http://montypython.50webs.com/scripts/Life_of_Brian/8.htm)
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There were marches in London against the gun-ban, but it was pointless.

I had a meeting with my MP (this was during the build-up to the election).

He told me and several others (point blank) that they needed a complete ban as ‘The Sun’ newspaper was calling for one and they needed that papers support in the upcoming election.

This was never about public safety, it was about winning an election. It was political from the outset. We will never know the full story, the full report was sealed for about 100 years if I recall.

14 posted on 05/26/2022 3:40:24 PM PDT by LVS1
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Tories are a “slow down” party rather than a rightist party - hence why they are all pro-gay now but think being pro-trans is going too far (for now). They kind of remind me of the Republican Party in New York when I was a kid - conservative on “law and order” and slightly better on taxes but otherwise slower pace Dems.


15 posted on 05/26/2022 3:43:09 PM PDT by Clemenza (In event of a Civil War, a face diaper is a great way to spot the enemy)
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Disagree.

They have yet to actually remove the 2a. Despite further laws passed tht may have, or not survived, court cases.

It is extremely hard to modify the constitution. Laws are much easier to pass but also much easier to strike down.


16 posted on 05/26/2022 3:44:02 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; not averse to Going Bronson.)
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[He told me and several others (point blank) that they needed a complete ban as ‘The Sun’ newspaper was calling for one and they needed that papers support in the upcoming election. ]


The Sun = Murdochs.


17 posted on 05/26/2022 3:44:41 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room.)
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You know what irritates me about these kinds of stories? It is this. In America, there are two kinds of black people. There are black people and then there are the ones whose name we dare not speak. In Europe, they mostly have black people, and the same in Australia and New Zealand. In those countries, the black people speak the language of the country and in their accent. Those black people mostly act like normal people, and the white folks there have little or no conception about the other kind. So there is little basis for racism to ever develop.

But in America, most of our blacks are either of the “feral sociopath” persuasion, or have a tendency toward that kind of behavior. (See Taleeb Starkes’ book - The Uncivil War.)So we face a completely different problem, one which is only now beginning to develop in Europe, as they get their own horribly behaving minority groups.

What we face in America is worse than our ancestors faced from the Hostile Indians. At least then as we cleared a territory or area, the problem moved westward. But our current Hostile Ethnic Groups are all over the place - in every city. They riot, they smash and grab, they invade homes, they carjack vehicles, they rob and steal and they attack people - all of which this behavior can not be tied to them as an ethnic group for fear of being called a racist.

We do not have a Gun Epidemic. We have a Word We Dare Not Mention Epidemic. And it has become so bad, that decent black families are leaving cities where their families have lived for generations. (See for example: https://news.stlpublicradio.org/race-identity-faith/2021-12-16/black-families-in-st-louis-are-leaving-in-droves-whats-causing-the-mass-exodus)

I know a black German health care worker who frankly told me that she had nothing in common with most American blacks. And father was in Germany, or maybe grandfather, I forget which, lived in Germany during the Hitler years. Anyway, she has been here for years, and married an American black man early after she got here, but left him and does not date American blacks anymore. I had another client from outside the U.S. who came to America, and at first, complained about the average white Southern attitude toward blacks. Which, is first to try figure out which type of black person they are. If their britches are sagging, then they probably belong in the bad group. After a few months of dealing with blacks, those white folks had a whole ‘nother attitude about the issue.

So this is why I hate these European vs American stories vis a vis guns and race. Let some of these European pilgrims move to a big city, to non-gated community or building, and then see how long it is before they start arming themselves.


18 posted on 05/26/2022 3:55:55 PM PDT by Penelope Dreadful (And there is Pansies, that's for Thoughts.)
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Still murders did not stop and bad guys switched to knifes, resulting in England's "Save a Life, Surrender Your Knife" policy; along with the usual slat of hysterics.

Home deliveries of knives bought online to be banned in UK

19 posted on 05/26/2022 4:03:17 PM PDT by DakotaRed (Why not just pass a law requiring criminals to obey the laws?)
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U.K.’s annual rate of gun deaths per 100,000 people was 0.2 in 2015, versus the United States’ rate of 12.09. In 2017, the site estimates, the U.K. had 5.03 guns for every 100 people. Comparatively, the U.S. had 120.5 guns per 100 people.
If the Brits have figured out gun violence, then let's test it out by seeing what happens when we ship our young urban gangsters to them.

Those numbers would absolutely flip.

Btw, remove urban gun violence, the rest of America is likely below UK's gun death rate.
20 posted on 05/26/2022 4:57:02 PM PDT by nicollo
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