Louisiana lawmakers withdraw bill declaring abortion homicide

Reuters ^ | May 12, 2022 | Sharon Bernstein

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A bill in the Louisiana legislature aiming to charge women and their doctors with murder for obtaining or providing abortion services was withdrawn from consideration on Thursday amid outrage and a successful effort to amend it.

The measure by state Representative Danny McCormick would have would have abolished abortion in the state, granted constitutional rights to "all unborn children from the moment of fertilization" and classified abortion as a homicide crime.

The measure drew international attention and was criticized by people on both sides of the abortion debate.

It was removed from discussion by McCormick late Thursday after opponents amended it to say that women could not be charged with murder for seeking or obtaining an abortion and by inserting an exception to the state's abortion ban for the life of the mother, the state's legislative information website showed.

After the amendments, the measure was "returned to the calendar," the website showed. McCormick did not immediately respond to a request for comment from Reuters.

[Bob434]

pointing out your error isn’t being contentious- you have argued yourself into a corner- you say one thing, then turn right aroudn and say the exact opposite- You simply doubled down on your assertion - which by the way is unbiblical- Jesus did not do away with the need for punishment in this life- you have several times now that he has ‘because he took the penalties on himself forever’- claiming that i am being contentious for pointing out your error is like saying you are mad and gonna take your ball and go home.

You do know that the ‘death penalty’ imposed by earthly judgement is not the permanent death that Christ defeated by taking on the penalty for permanent death, right? You do know that there is a difference between physical and spiritual death, right? people who commit physical murders deserve physical death penalties as punishment.

Your argument ignores that fact- and insinuates that because Christ died, all sin is therefore paid, and we don’t have to pay the price here on earth for anything we do- or do you hold that some sins and criminal acts deserve punishment while others don’t? Because that is sure what it sounds like you are saying-

[Bob434]

[[All irrelevant to the subject at hand Oh, Mr. Leftist.]]

Ahem- you are the arguing bleeding heart leftist agenda, ie no death penalties-

[Bob434]

[[ God was in Christ, reconciling the world to himself, no longer counting people’s sins against them. And he gave us this wonderful message of reconciliation.

2 Corinthians 5:19.]]

uh huh- that has to do with reconciliation to HIM- and has nothing to do with paying for ones crimes or sins here on earth-

“The New Testament teaches the necessity of administering punishment for offenders. Paul said, “If I am an offender, or have committed anything worthy of death, I do not object to dying” (Acts 25:11). Paul saw that the state had the right to execute judgement upon the offenders and in some cases even the death penalty on those that deserve it (Titus 3:1). Also, Peter taught the same truths when he stressed, “the punishment of evildoers” (1 Peter 2:14).”

https://bibleask.org/capital-punishment-taught-new-testament/

[balch3]

16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.

[Jim W N]

aquila48, I’m going to guess you’re a female because of your total absence of reason and accountability (credit to Melvin Udall for that one).

Nighty-night and sweet dreams...

[Jim W N]

Bob, I’ve already several times made the distinction to you between God not punishing us or counting our sins and crimes against us vs. society needing to function by having just laws and penalties based on deterrents not punishment.

You TOTALLY IGNORE that critical distinction and just go on and on like a broken record because you’re not paying attention to nor addressing this distinction in my argument, but just being contentious and at this point total waste of time.

You come across like the truth isn’t important to you, just your petty little doctrine. At this point you’re looking like a bad-faith poster just contentious and argumentative and not addressing nor reasonably refuting the argument I’ve presented, turning what should be a grown-up, rational debate into elementary-school-level incoherent nonsense.

Maybe you need to take a valium and go to bed. In the meantime, please, go waste someone else’s time.

Bye bye.

[Jim W N]

I must add that since it seems clear to me that you are a woman and probably a member of the demented women's movement, all the deflection attempts in the world and ones you've made here hasn't in any way reasonably refuted the statement that abortion is murder.

Now, go back to sleep and don't call me, I'll call you.

[Jim W N]

And since it appears you're hearing and attention-level isn't so good, it bears repeating:

ABORTION IS MURDER.

[Bob434]

[[You TOTALLY IGNORE that critical distinction and just go on and on like a broken record]]

One thing you excell at is projection fella!

The only broken record here is you fella. Your argument for “deterrants” instead of Capitol punishment is unbiblical. I’ve provided you points to counter your repetitious claims, but you of course ignore them and keep right on insisting that nooje shoukd be punished with death lena.ties because “we are not u Der the ,aw “ anymorei even lrovided a verse shkwing ylu that yes. We are stil. Under the law while on earth, and even paul accepted the fxct that he could be putmto death if that is what the ,aw required- but you i. Your insistence declars that God doesnt allow it anymore because it woild be what again? Double punishment? Wow!

The only one not answering or engaging in rebuttle is you. So keep,projecting gif you like, but your own losts work to belie your claims.

[[ turning what should be a grown-up, rational debate into elementary-school-level incoherent nonsense]]

Ok, so you refuse to address the fact that Capitol punishment was NOT done away with I. The Bible, and that they didn’t use your convoluted arguments to make the case that it was, so you are gonna resort to third grade insults whole accusing me of degrading the conversation?

Again, you really do Excell at projecting.

There is nothing IIncoherent about pointing out your error. There is no distinction that explains away with Capitol punishment for those who break,the law, and your reasoning is quite bizarre. Even when you are given a verse showing that you are wrong, you one back with more projection and gradeschool insults, while falsely pretending to be the only adult in the thread.

Discussing things with you is interesting.

Care to address the fsct that even Paul stated that govenrments have a right to put
People to death while you on the other hand are here to,inform us al. That its wrong?

You also,ignored the fact that, contrary to,your false accusation, I did address the distinction several times. I soecificslly,pointed out that there are 2 jusrices,,one where our sins are forg8vrn for eternity, and one where our penalties must be paid i. This lifetime, just ,ike paul exp,ained to you in the verse i have you.

You seem to excell at ignoring things like that too in order to get your insults out in your posts. Go back and look at your posts. You’ve done nothing but ignore people’s points while insulting them, over and over, and then you turn around d and claim the high ground?

If you earn keep,avoiding the,points brought up, and wish only to keep on with your grades how. Insults, that’s your business, but don’t sit there and pretend you are “the only one trying to engage in a civil discussion” when Nothing could be further from the truth obviously.

[[Bye bye.]]

Awwww common now, you don’t truly mean that. You’ll. Be back, projecting some more.

[Bob434]

[[ I must add that since it seems clear to me that you are a woman and probably a member of the demented women’s movement]]

And you accuse others of acting childish? Incredible!

[Jim W N]

OK, well, you’re such a waste of time and such a bad-faith poster that you’ve definitely made it to my No Fly Zone list, reserved for snipers and bad-faith posters like yourself. Congratulations.

In future threads, I will do my best not to respond to any of your posts or replies.

My description of you on the list is, “irrational, contentious, argumentative, not interested in finding the true solution, a total waste of time.”

Have a good day.

[Jim W N]

To those of you who may be trying to follow this fairly incoherent thread, there seems to be a contingent of females here lead by aquilla 48 who use every distraction out of the bag of delusions from the Women's Movement to deflect from the subject of this thread:

Abortion is murder

To those who question the fundamentals of this true statement this is how it goes.

Killing unborn babies is murder.

Abortion is the killing of unborn babies.

Therefore, abortion is murder.

[Bob434]

Yep called it. More projecting! Good job, you didn’t let us down.

[In future threads, I will do my best not to respond to any of your posts or replies.]]

You already faileD In This thread after bidding adieu.

[[My description of you on the list is, “irrational, contentious, argumentative, not interested in finding the true solution, a total waste of time.”]]

You may call your total lack of accountibilitiy for the things you said whatever your little heart desires, but we all know it’s a typical liberal tactic of saying nonsense, getting called out for it, then reacting by by name calling and false accusations. I see you stil. Didn’t address even one of the points which cohtnered your unbiblical claim that Capitol punishment is done away with because christ died for,our sins.

[[a total waste of time.”]]

AND YET here you are, post after post, ignoring the questions put to you, and simply engaging in name calling, and “threatening to take your ball and go home” lol. whatever.

[Jim W N]

This is not a future thread dork.

Hey, I thought I told you to take a valium and go to bed.

And DON’T call me in the morning.

[Bob434]

Hey more name calling, and even after you already said “goodbye” in THIS thread. Did you get cal.ed a lot of names as a kid or something? You seem to relish calling freepers names I see. Does it make you feel better ablout yourself to do so? If thatnjs what it takes to boost your self esteemed, by all means fire away. It does so much to boost your main arguments lol

[Jim W N]

Well, you earned it.

[Bob434]

[[you’ve definitely made it to my No Fly Zone list, ]]

Really? Then why you letting me fly by continuing to engage? Again, don’t make promises you don’t intend to keep, it just undermines your integrity to do so. Got an answer to why Peter said he should be put to death for crimes when by your logic we shouldn’t be because christ paid for all of our sins a,ready? Care to explain why the Bible was wrong yet?

[Bob434]

For lying about Church donations: Acts 5:1 to 11 describe how a couple, Ananias and Sapphira sold an piece of real estate. They gave part of the money to the apostles, claiming it was the full proceeds from the sale. Peter interpreted their act as lying to the Holy Ghost. God killed Ananias on the spot. Three hours later, Sapphira repeated the lie to Peter. He cursed her and God killed her immediately. Members of the church were understandably terrified

[Bob434]

Lol I “earned it” the childish name calling, because I questioned your unbliczl comments about the death penalty? . “Don’t question Jim un,ess you want to barrage of childish names thrown at you, and al..your questions ignored.”

Gosh you must be a ton of fun at parties

[Bob434]

for [it] is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for [it] does not bear the sword in vain. For [it] is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God’s wrath on the wrongdoer (Romans 13:4).

NEW TESTAMENT- not the old. The “it” is talking about law and those thst uphold it. God instituted the death penalty after the flood, and he has not done away with it contrary to your claim. If you eanna keep ignoring these facts, a d keep,engaging in the ,eftist tactic of ma,ing false state,ends and ,asking out at anyone that calls you out on them, that’s your business’s, but your points have been countered no matter how many times you ignore that they have.