Posted on 03/09/2022 5:33:48 PM PST by NetAddicted
Many electric car owners have been reveling in their purchases as gas prices reach record highs.
-My text- They used the price of gas in California ($5.57 per gallon) for one car, figuring annual cost of fuel, versus costs of recharging at a charging station.
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That guy in Finland blew up his Tesla because the battery was too expensive to replace.
yes it works for everyone who has two vehicles
also factor in the increased cost of electricity as they push for more wind and solar
the more EVs sold the more they think their global warming hoax is working
if the green new deal wins we lose
I walked past a car plugged into a charging station at the airport economy parking garage two weeks ago. I tried to look and see how payment is rendered. I also wondered what would happen if I unplugged it…would the time run out like a parking meter and this person come back to find they paid full price for a partial charge?
The CEO of the company I work for has bought a Tesla when they first came out. I think he is on his second Tesla now.
Anyway…. about five years ago he had a charging station installed at his parking spot. Nothing like filling up on the company dime.
Not the answer to your question, but a piece I read not too long ago estimated that an EV has to hit about 100k miles before it becomes "greener" than an ICE. Prior to that it is more environmentally unfriendly.
In California where the legislature is pushing EV’s, the current SoCal Edison time-of-usage electric rates are $.17 kwh except for peak usage time roughly 3 to 9 pm, when the rate jumps to $.34 kwh. And that only applies if your neighborhood is not experiencing a brownout, or blackout due to demand exceeding electrical supply. If that happens you may have to walk to work, even further reducing your transportation costs. So, you plug in your car when you arrive home at 6 pm, your kwh usage to charge a near fully discharged battery would be 40 kwh. So, the first three hours at 3 kwh per hour would cost 3 hrs x 3 kwh x $.34 per kwh or $3.42 for the first three hours, The remaining 31 kwh would be 31 kwh x $.17 kwh or an additional $5.41 or $8.69 for the overnight charge, assuming you depleted most of the charge with your commute. And the quoted rate is for the 1st tier. If your charging demand takes you into the 2nd or 3rd tier, the cost would be even higher. I’ll leave it to someone else to factor in the initial cost of the EV, and the cost to replace the battery.
I can charge for free at work,
Probably why you’re only getting a 3%
annual raise. Nothing is free.
OK, what’s the real skinny on EV batteries catching fire? I really don’t want a rolling bomb in my carport if President Doofus’ policies ultimately compel me to look into getting one of these.
How long does it take to fully charge a empty electric car..
Have you read War and Peace?
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Have you read War and Peace in Russian?
For me that's not an issue. I have a large solar system on my house. I don't believe in global warmageddon are anything like that. I just want some level of control of where my energy comes from so that it's less the Dims can control me with their energy policies. If I get an EV, and that's an IF, I'll probably upgrade my solar system to compensate.
But that's just me. Most people aren't in that situation where they're using solar to wean themselves off the big gubment and small gubment energy teat.
Ironically, the Dims pushing EV's the loudest are big city Dims. LOL
The cost of the Tesla, alone, is more than the cost of gas for the life of a gas powered car.
Toss in that the liberals have been shutting down electric power plants by the hundreds and it is easy to see that they want to control power production as the Soviet Union did as a means to control the people.
Today it might be inexpensive to power your Tesla, but as we also see with gas prices under the liberals, costs will only skyrocket.
For example, a family member of mine in his 80's with a Model A Ford like his father had when he was growing up likes to joke about how much Fords back then would overheat and everybody would carry a gallon of water with them because of it. I know that history yet that doesn't keep me from driving an almost 20 year old used Ford truck, all the time worrying it'll overheat. That's because in the past 100 years Ford has improved that problem. The same with EV's made recently not catching fire like early version EV's did. Part of it is they have larger batteries now with larger output -- basically you're less liable to overheat the battery if it can put out more power than is demanded of it. (I use the same logic with my home solar batteries by having six 48V/50A batteries in parallel that my solar inverter can pull from, but at most it can do 9 kW continuous DC-to-AC conversion, so those six batteries won't overheat working together on that relatively tiny load).
Another thing is batteries now have BMS (battery management software) to turn things on only when the batteries aren't getting too hot, with the default to shut off unless the BMS continuously gives the all-clear (my home solar batteries have the same). Another is EV batteries now have liquid cooling systems (and heating systems for winter) -- admittedly that's part of the math on how overall effective the EV is if part of the power is used to manage the battery's temp. (My home batteries don't have that. LOL)
Another thing is the EV charging systems now throttle back the more the battery is charged as part of keeping the batteries from overheating, which almost always happened when charging it at the last few percent. So if you get a Ford EV (Mustang Mach E or the upcoming F-150 Lightning) and get their 240V/80A charger, it'll charge full blast for a while at 19kW until the battery gets to about 80% charged. Then it slows the charge rate a little, then a little more, until at the last few percent it's not charging much. (That's how my home solar charge controllers within my inverter works. Once my batteries are about 95% charged the charge controllers are charging about half as much as they were when they were up to 90% charged, even if the sun is shining brightly and my solar panels are bringing in the full 10.2 kW. When I say my home solar batteries are fully charged 2.55 hours per day on average, I'm counting "fully charged" as 95% or more because at that point the system has really throttled back how much it puts into charging the batteries -- meaning I have a lot of excess power that could be going to somewhere useful if I had something like an EV.)
To your point, though, it's a really bad issue if it does catch fire. Once they catch fire it's hard to put out.
But back to how infrequent it happens. Before I bought my solar system I asked my home owner's insurance about it. They said the # of fires from solar owners is not more than # of fires from non-solar owners. They said the only way my premiums go up is if I want more coverage (because my house is now worth more with solar, at least if I was to rebuild after a fire or tornado and wanted everything like it was before the fire). I've recently asked the same thing from my insurance about an EV (the insurance company handles both my home and cars). They said their numbers say the fires aren't more frequent for EV's now, and that the only increase in premium is if I want more coverage (because EV's tend to cost more, especially if I go from liability only coverage of a 20-year old gas pickup to comprehensive coverage of a new $45K truck). The fact that the new truck would be EV wouldn't increase my coverage on either the car or the house. If I get the F-150 Lightning, my monthly car insurance would go from $85 for liability only coverage to $175 monthly for comprehensive coverage of a $45K pickup, with no increase on my homeowners insurance. To me, the insurance companies that make a living doing the actuaries not raising rates because of EV's tells me they're about as safe as gas cars.
That’s reassuring. I’m not against people having EV’s, just against being forced to buy one because of some cruel, senile old crock in Washington, DC. Gas is convenient for me at this time; maybe an EV will be more convenient some time in the future.
You and I think a lot alike. I just post positive stuff about EV’s on FR every now and then for two reasons: 1) if you’re in a situation that EV’s are good for you then don’t let the fact that the Dims love EV’s keep you from making a wise decision, and 2) the push-back against forced EV’s is more effective if us FReeper types are accurate in our facts.
Yes!
EVs are the solution to a non-existent problem.
I do, yes. I figure 50 cents a mile even for my old beater.
You’re screwed when you arrive home nearly empty and have to go right back out again. I have very compact storage that will get me 200 miles out immediately.
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