Posted on 05/30/2020 7:22:23 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
Better said what I wrote explains why he wasn't immediately charged.....they had to investigate further to see if the Officer had responsibility by not identifying Floyd was in medical distress ... and I would guess the first officer who Floyd had conversation with at the sidewalk, while he was sitting, plays a part in this. I would love to know if that's when Floyd expressed he was feeling sick.
It's a complex case because Floyd was under substance abuse to begin with, and people get sick who drink and do drugs....added his stress level with a coronary ‘stress’ heart issue.....therefore Floyds actual medical symptoms experiencing would be difficult to discern by anyone at that time of arrest. It was already know he was greatly intoxicated when the owner reported the crime. So all the officers knew was they were dealing with a drunken or doped or both criminal. And they're always easily aggravated if not violent when arrested.
We'll see how this goes....but Floyd was the wrong criminal for the black comm unity to use as their hero.....
He was charged with 3rd deg and manslaughter.
What terrible luck to have someone die from unrelated causes at the same moment you are smashing your knee into their neck.
It's really not hard to believe he was combative at that point, they've got a man fighting for his life under a medical cardiac stressor who's also drug/achohol afflicted. Of course he's going to stuggle and of course they're going to curtail his resistance because they don't know he's in the throes of a medical attack on his body. Addicts and drunks are well known to struggle.....there's no way these officers could discern between Floyd's medical symptoms he was experiencing and that of those who abuse drug and alcohol.
2 officers on his back? I thought legs.
Asphyxiation is the result of cutting off oxygen supply to the body. The appearance from the video is that the police officer did not so much restrict breathing as cutting off blood supply to Floyd’s brain by compressing the carotid arteries. Would a ME call that asphyxiation? Would it leave evidence of “asphyxiation” for a ME to find?
The two other people said to be in the car with Floyd are likely unreliable witnesses with conflicts of interest. Have they made any statements about what he might have ingested and when relative to his death? Was he drunk? Drugged? About whether he had any signs of breathing problems before the arrest?
Just like Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown, George Floyd was NO SAINT!
They were NOT GENTILE! They were NOT INNOCENT! They were NOT SAINTS!
While I wish they were still alive, but they all contributed to their own deaths.
I will NEVER find myself in any of the circumstances that they placed THEMSELVES in.
I won’t try to take away a police officers gun. I won’t bash an innocent persons head into a sidewalk. I won’t try to spend counterfeit bills and then resist arrest.
If these three people had not done those things, they MIGHT be alive today.
I say “might” because of the paths that they were on, it is likely they would continue to put themselves in life threatening positions.
While we can mourn their deaths, let us not eulogise them as they were not paragons of virtue.
I'm normally pro-police. But, that video looks like compelling evidence to me. Even if the guy just coincidentally had a stroke, its going to be hard to convince the public at large that the knee had nothing to do with it.
Tbe shuttle accident people are alive??? Seriously?
[[but if you have alcohol poisoning along with heart issues and other health problems, it definitely sped it along.]]
Not definately- he could have caused his own death by struggling with the police for those 10 minutes that he refused to get in the car, causing his heart to fail- which could also explain not being able to breath well-
Could the neck act have sped it along? Yes- but it’s also possible it had nothing to do with it- and that the struggle for 10 minutes was the sole cause of a heart attack-
We just don’t a definitive decision on how he died yet- many are speculating it was lack of oxygen to brain- but as MarkTwain pointed out above- Asphyxiation was not the cause of death- that we know from the report-
They will make the argument that the medical examiner was not convinced beyond a reasonable doubt.
[[Remember where one bystander says: put him in the car!, and the officer replies: We just spent ten minutes trying to do that. ]]
Noone wants the truth- The police were holding him down until the ambulance, which they had previously called, arrived on the scene- like you mentioned, they likely suspected he was high on drugs- he was a large male, strong, etc-
[[ Videos can be very misleading. ]]
Precisely- Sadly though it doesn’t stop a rush to judgement- like you have said- we don’t know how much pressure was applied to the neck- all folks know is that the ‘video looked bad’
[[Once the narrative is established, it is very hard to alter the first impression planted in peoples’ minds.]]
Yup-
I've thought about that also...... but that's why the officer could not be charged immediately. Floyd's medical symptoms could not be identified through his alcohol drug stupor. And as far as the officers were aware they were dealing with an inebriated drugged criminal. I can still hear one of the officers say to the crowd on a video...'Don't do drugs folks'....
If you Google “Eggshell head rule” you will find that this is not the whim of a Monday morning quarterback. I was not stating my opinion. I’m a lawyer and was stating how these cases are typically adjudicated.
That's a pretty nasty thing to think, and even worse to write.
Floyd and his killer both worked for the same night club, and probably knew each other. Are you so much of a racist that you would kill some guy you worked with just because of his skin color?
And in the eyes of the law it doesn't matter. If someone dies in a situation that you caused, regardless of the underlying medical conditions the person has the law treats the death as being caused by your actions.
That's basic criminal law.
Do you realize how strange that logic is? If you apply that line of thinking, which has nothing to do with how the law works, then there are many crimes where the victim "caused his own death".
Like the poor grocery clerk who just happens to move his head into the path of the oncoming bullet that the robber fired.
Probably the difference between a manslaughter and a murder conviction. A fine distinction and one that varies state to state.
A good bit of the time the arresting officer appeared to be more fixated on the person filming him with the cell phone (I am assuming that it was a cell phone). Again, not an excuse, but perhaps an extenuating circumstance that might reduce the years. I’m wondering what the officer’s bodycams will show? We haven’t seen those yet.
Technically that clerk did cause his own death- however, that doesn’t exonerate what the perp INTENTIONALLY did (key point- and what separates your analogy to the Minneapolis case) by shooting in the first place-
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