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To: Fishtalk

I must say I am rather disappointed this week.

What concerns me the most is how so many people just accept the government degrees in the name of public safety.

Public safety is not just about health. Economics is also part of it.

Businesses going out of business means less pay for individuals, less taxes for government, less products for consumers, higher prices for those fewer resources, and the reduction in wealth for the overall community and larger society we all live in.

I don’t believe most polls, as I think they’re pushing the outcome of whatever they’re polling, but too many people agree with the continued lock down.

I don’t even think it needs to be part of an overall conspiracy.

Basically, too many Americans are ignorant about things in their own sphere and freak out about anything scary.

They used to call television the “great American wasteland” and it is. 70 years of over-dramatization, thin or no logic plots, horror shows and continued stereotypes of the average American man as a befuddled dufus has done us in culturally.

Television and social media has done this and perpetuates it.

I don’t think people have ever been this afraid before. It’s just not sustainable. If and when enough people wake up and face the truth (you cannot live forever—there’s something out there that WILL kill you), they’re going to be, “What the Hell happened??? Why is everything ruined and all of us poor? What happened to our vibrant society?”


14 posted on 04/26/2020 5:29:17 AM PDT by Alas Babylon! (The prisons do not fill themselves. Get moving, Barr!)
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To: Alas Babylon!
Brilliant post AB. Unfortunately, like sheep we have been seen to be led to the slaughter.It's possible all this was a test.Just to see if we could be led by those who would rule.
They won this round but now that we know the truth about what is really going on:
The more people that are tested the lower the death rate is. We already have drugs that can control the virus. Sheltering in place is actually counter productive and weakens our immune system. The question becomes will we put heat on our leaders to do the right thing and open the economy back up?
.........................
below is a suggestion by an eastern Va. Medical School
on self treatment for those at home:
Mildly Symptomatic patients (at home):
• Vitamin C 500 mg BID and? Quercetin 250-500 mg BID (if available)
• Zinc 75-100 mg/day
• Melatonin 6-12 mg at night (the optimal dose is unknown)
• Vitamin D3 1000-4000 u/day
• Optional: ASA 81 -325 mg/day
• Optional: Hydroxychloroquine 400mg BID day 1 followed by 200mg BID for 4 days

It's found here:

https://www.evms.edu/media/evms_public/departments/internal_medicine/EVMS_Critical_Care_COVID-19_Protocol.pdf

EVMS CRITICAL CARE
COVID-19 MANAGEMENT PROTOCOL
Developed and updated by Paul Marik, MD
Chief of Pulmonary and Critical Care Medicine
Eastern Virginia Medical School, Norfolk, VA
April 20th, 2020
URGENT! Please circulate as widely as possible. It is crucial that every pulmonologist, every critical care doctor
and nurse, every hospital administrator, every public health official receive this information immediately.
This is our recommended approach to COVID-19 based on the best (and most recent) literature. We
should not re-invent the wheel but learn from the experience of others. This is a very dynamic situation;
therefore, we will be updating the guideline as new information emerges. Please check on the EVMS
website for updated versions of this protocol.

EVMS COVID website: https://www.evms.edu/covid-19/medical_information_resources/

Short url: evms.edu/covidcare

“If what you are doing ain’t working, change what you are doing”
Dr AB (NYC).
“We have zero success for patients who were intubated.
Our thinking is changing to postpone intubation to as
long as possible, to prevent mechanical injury from the
ventilator. These patients tolerate arterial hypoxia
surprisingly well. Natural course seems to be the best.”

22 posted on 04/26/2020 5:46:02 AM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic home of the free because of the Brave)
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To: Alas Babylon!

As I begin to outline my book in my head I would begin with the initiation of this lockdown.

I think we’ve all bit a bit harsh on the American public. Bear in mind that none of us has ever experienced this before. We have children, families, elder moms and dads. When they said stay inside, we did. We did because of the concern we had about sickness and, frankly the shock of it all.

As the days passed, the schools closed, the businesses shut or went to part time, we began to scratch our heads. We weren’t expecting that at all.

Soon we’re all sitting home like we never did when flu and viruses were all around us in prior years and some of us got it, some of us died.

All of a sudden we got politicos telling us we can’t sit on our piers and fish, we must wear face masks although at first face masks good, then they bad, then they good again. Politicos telling us to stop our bitching about jobs and walk away from the one you lost and get hired by those “necessary” businesses.

The politicos were filled with power and importance and us schlubs began to wonder just what monster we have created.

We are now at the point, many of us....most of us I’d argue, that we’re tired of listening to some shiny faced newly elected female power grabber from Michigan, an NY Gubnor who sent Covid patients to a nursing home ....illustrating his knowledge of it all.

We’ve had the gummit (as Bray calls it) tell us that 2 million will die in America alone while “experts” change their summation on a daily basis.

AB....it began last week. Next week it will get louder. Americans do tend to learn the things the hard way but once we learn it, we handle it.

Soon Americans will flip Whitmer the bird, tell Cuomo to go back to school, ban Fucho from the stage and give scarf lady more scarves and tell her to go away.

We might have no power but we have one major, MAJOR, thing on our sides.

WE HAVE OUR NUMBERS!!!

There are millions of us. There are not enough jails to put us in.

We will fight back, not with guns or cannons, but by opening our front door and ,wearing no damn face mask, go our way.

And we will know that somebody tried to bring our country down. But nobody can bring down America over our powerful military.

But for want of some big bucks to better get elected, many sold us down the tubes. “A Virus!” somebody thought. “That’s the ticket!”

We will find them and we will bring them down.


36 posted on 04/26/2020 6:03:14 AM PDT by Fishtalk
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To: donaldtrump; Alas Babylon!
going out of business means less pay for individuals, less taxes for government,

The President needs to use this RAT crisis issue an EO decertifying the government unions (just as they were formed by JFK) and start terminating positions en mass.

He needs to tell the American People:

"We simply can't afford to pay all this greedy bloated government, there's no money coming in.

After all, it's mostly just a bunch of unelected, do-nothing partisan hacks, wasting your money....You should keep it!"

50 posted on 04/26/2020 6:27:30 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (We need to reach across the aisle, extend a hand...And slap the crap out of them)
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To: Alas Babylon!
I don’t believe most polls, as I think they’re pushing the outcome of whatever they’re polling, but too many people agree with the continued lock down.

That agreement will continue as long as people are getting an extra $600 per week in their unemployment payment. Once that runs out, grownups will realize that they can't live on unemployment forever. In the meantime they can continue to subscribe to Netflix and eat $12 ice cream bars like Nancy Pelosi.

And there really aren't that many unemployed people right now; I realize that 20-some million is a lot, but that means over 100 million are still working or at least not claiming unemployment. Air passenger traffic is down 96% according to some report I saw on a local Chicago news report, but how many TSA agents are being laid off? They can't all be frisking each other, can they?

128 posted on 04/26/2020 7:11:24 AM PDT by Bernard ("I don't know if that's true:" Schiff said.)
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