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CDC data suggests coronavirus may have been in California as early as December
Just the news ^ | April 12, 2020 - 8:41am | Daniel Payne

Posted on 04/12/2020 4:23:31 PM PDT by Hojczyk

A 'severe flu season' may have actually been the virus moving through the population, officials say.

Though the first confirmed case of COVID-19 in the United States was declared Jan. 20, preliminary evidence from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention indicates that the disease may have actually been present in the United States at least a month earlier than that.

Jeff Smith, a doctor and the county executive officer of Santa Clara County, told officials in that district this week that the disease had been "freewheeling" in the Bay Area possibly "for quite some time" prior to the earliest official estimates.

Smith told officials that the CDC and local health authorities have collected data that suggest the virus may very well have been present as early as December 2019. That would be weeks earlier than the first confirmed case of the disease in the Bay Area, which was announced in late January.

California was reportedly in the grip of a severe flu outbreak up to the point that health authorities began searching for coronavirus in the state. At least some of those illnesses may have been COVID-19 spreading unaware throughout the state.

The data, if validated, may partially confirm anecdotal reports circulating on social media, that have suggested a significantly earlier spread of the virus in the United States than what has been estimated. Numerous users on Facebook and Twitter in recent months have claimed to have been stricken in December and early January by an illness with symptoms identical to those of COVID-19.

Multiple scientists and health authorities have concluded that the virus likely originated in Wuhan, China in November.

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1 posted on 04/12/2020 4:23:31 PM PDT by Hojczyk
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Ihttps://www.sun-sentinel.com/health/fl-ne-flu-season-florida-20200108-smylr2hx5zhc7fnewajgajidfa-story.html


2 posted on 04/12/2020 4:24:09 PM PDT by Hojczyk
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Thanks ChiComs


3 posted on 04/12/2020 4:24:45 PM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire. Or both.)
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To: Hojczyk

Well, I wondered about that a long time ago.

That unusually harsh new type of flu hitting hard early in the season was suspicious knowing the later crisis details.

Lots and lots of Chinese in California. And, sadly, right near me in this university city.


4 posted on 04/12/2020 4:25:55 PM PDT by frank ballenger (End vote harvesting,non-citizen voting & leftist media news censorship or we are finished.)
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To: Hojczyk

Run up the numbers of the dead. How many federal taxpayer dollars does that get.


5 posted on 04/12/2020 4:26:14 PM PDT by momincombatboots (Ephesians 6... who you are really at war with)
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To: BenLurkin

I KNEW this was happening in Dec. AND we had no shut down and survived just fine!!!


6 posted on 04/12/2020 4:26:35 PM PDT by Trump Girl Kit Cat (Yosemite Sam raising hell)
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To: Hojczyk

Who gives a shit at this point? I’m so damn tired of hearing about Corona!


7 posted on 04/12/2020 4:26:43 PM PDT by Married with Children (At)
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To: Hojczyk

Rush is right. Low numbers = Herd immunity.


8 posted on 04/12/2020 4:26:47 PM PDT by Souled_Out (Our hope is in the power of God working through the hearts of people.)
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To: Hojczyk

I think this explains why CA has had a relatively easy time with C-19. They have developed something of a herd immunity already. I think they should start statistical sampling of regional populations to figure out just how many people have antibodies against this thing.


9 posted on 04/12/2020 4:28:07 PM PDT by Paradox (Don't call them mainstream, there is nothing mainstream about the MSM.)
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To: Trump Girl Kit Cat

And the hospitals were not overrun


10 posted on 04/12/2020 4:29:51 PM PDT by gas_dr (Trial lawyers AND POLITICIANS are Endangering Every Patient in America: INCLUDING THEIR LIBERTIES)
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To: Hojczyk

Probably true. Probably why things are going so well on the West Coast, they have or are approaching herd immunity. Unlike New York, they won’t see a second wave either .


11 posted on 04/12/2020 4:32:08 PM PDT by hardspunned
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We can speculate all we wish, but widespread anti-body tests will tell the tale one way or the other.


12 posted on 04/12/2020 4:34:39 PM PDT by cgbg (Pattern recognition is the first sign of intelligence.)
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And the hospitals were not overrun

And you could go shopping without a problem.

This was all an artificially, and needlessly, created panic.

13 posted on 04/12/2020 4:34:53 PM PDT by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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Iceland has tested one-tenth of its population for coronavirus at random and found HALF of people have the disease without realising...
14 posted on 04/12/2020 4:35:41 PM PDT by blam
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My friend and her husband in Torrance, CA had it in the middle of January. He’s a commercial pilot that works the western states so he probably picked it up at some air terminal. The three of us returned from a dive trip to Fiji on January 15 so we had been together for a couple weeks but I never got it.


15 posted on 04/12/2020 4:35:56 PM PDT by atc23
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Who gives a shit at this point?

One important consequence of this possibility is that if massive numbers of Americans have developed antibodies it changes the battle plan entirely, Hillary, and the economic destruction we're experiencing will turn out to have been totally unnecessary.

16 posted on 04/12/2020 4:36:12 PM PDT by stormhill
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To: Hojczyk

November, not December. Mark my words, will soon be proven.


17 posted on 04/12/2020 4:37:52 PM PDT by Professional
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It makes sense. The Bay Area, specifically San Francisco, peninsula & Silicon Valley/San Jose, is probably ground zero for contact between the U.S. and China. If the virus was going to arrive anywhere, this area is the most obvious. Question, is why wasn’t the area hit harder than NY and Louisiana? Some possibilities... less population density than NY, more of a car culture... and, sorry to be politically incorrect, but fewer old, obese, unhealthy people per capita, and far fewer black people.


18 posted on 04/12/2020 4:38:14 PM PDT by irishjuggler
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Where are the results from this ‘test’ a week ago?

https://www.stanforddaily.com/2020/04/04/stanford-researchers-test-3200-people-for-covid-19-antibodies/

This article, and other articles about this study all said the results would be ready in “minutes”.
Seems shady.


19 posted on 04/12/2020 4:38:39 PM PDT by glasseye ( If 50,000 people say a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing. H. L. Mencken)
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A possible California personal brush with the CV.

I came down with it/whatever, 2 days before Thanksgiving and may have passed it to a 50+ year old son, who never gets sick, and a 19+ year old grandson. The grandson missed a free lunch, due to what he had. The son missed more days at work in Jan/Feb than he has in about 12 years. Grandson gets allergies. This was not in allergy season.

My energy level didn’t come back until about a month ago. My taste buds seemed to be semi working. My taste buds are now working great. I had shortness of breath, that is finally ebbing and the coldest feet at bedtime,ever. In fact my wife of 59 years warmed up my feet in bed with her feet, a total reversal. Just recently, I warmed up her feet with mine.

Off and on I had a headache, I have about 2 per year normally associated a cold or allergies. I had a mild fever a couple of times during this seige.

A couple of more additions to the crud I had:

1. None of our wives or granddaughters had this crud.
2. Impacted 3 generation of males, me ~ 81, son ~ 52,
grandson turned 19 during the crud in late Feb.
3. Males in all age groups, we know but were not in
close personal contact had various levels of the crud.
Again no women. The young males were over it in a week.
4. One of the males in #3 labeled it the Comcast/AT&T crud.
We were not in close personal touch, or zero, yet we had
the
crud from just before or after Christmas. So he joked, We
transmitted and got this crud via the internet/phone.
5. #1 complaint: Shortness of breath!
#2 complaint: zero energy
6. #3 complaint: Lower GI
7. #4 complaint: Some of the senior guys/I had blood in urine.


20 posted on 04/12/2020 4:44:51 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (Evolution works! Can not stand the heat! Get off the planet! Gorebull Warming weeding out the weak!)
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