Hmmmm ... Already throwing Giuliani under the bus
Guiliani said over and over he was investigating Ukraine at the request of the state dept. I could care less what Sondland thought about it. He’s not the president.
We have to separate private conversations from what actually occurred. We already knew that Giuliani was in Ukraine at Trump’s direction to find out how the corruption in 2016 was meant to derail his candidacy. And in any event they got the military aid they needed and the Ukraine president now says there was on coercion. So any private discussion in-house prior to or after conversations with the new Ukraine president was just that — conversations as to the best way to bring out info on how the corruption occurred and maybe use it in the future if Biden is the candidate in 2020. Perfectly acceptable in my opinion.