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To: CtBigPat

“Banning guns does little good, especially in a country with about 300,000,000 of them already and where it is increasingly easy to make them at home.”


While I would agree with you in substance, I think that you (and many, many others) need to update your figures a bit. This is like illegal aliens - we were told that there were 11 or 12 million of them for over 20 years, as record numbers of new illegals kept coming in. Well, now we know that it is somewhere in excess of 30 million.

Similarly, with firearms, the figure of 300 million has been bandied about for a couple of decades, as about half the years since have set records for new gun purchases (and the others are high enough that they would have ALL been records 20 years ago, by a big margin). The correct figure is probably north of 500 million, and all of this talk of banning guns has undoubtedly set the stage for this year to be yet another record.

By the way, people die on a fairly regular basis. Guns, if taken only decent care of, can last for well over a century. I know people who have many firearms from the 1800s, and there are literally millions that have rifles and handguns produced during WW1 and WW2 - almost none of the latter will cease to be functional in the next 20 years.

I don’t say this because I am a statistics Nazi, but because I want everyone to realize the power that is in the hands of the civilian population of this country - starting with those very civilians, but most definitely extending to the gun-grabbing, would-be tyrants in DC and the various state capitols. Make them realize that the task before them is SO difficult that it is literally impossible - and that’s before 3-D printing with metal really gets off the ground for the general public. Make them give up their quest for civilian disarmament for the simple reason that it is an impossible task.


31 posted on 09/20/2019 10:22:31 AM PDT by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt, The Weapons Shops of Isher)
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To: Ancesthntr

I believe you are correct

https://bearingarms.com/bob-o/2016/10/25/told-600-million-guns-united-states/


51 posted on 09/20/2019 12:21:35 PM PDT by jospehm20
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To: Ancesthntr; Travis McGee; central_va; Lurkinanloomin
You've got an excellent grasp of the situation, except for one possible flaw: I haven't yet seen you address the issue from the perspective of the left. And, as any good general knows, if you don't deconstruct the enemy's strategic plans and tactical goals, then you're left with only basic motivation and simplistic tools.

For example, we all know the prog's core motivation: yes, control, power & wealth. These goals were identified decades ago - many/most on the right are fully cognizant today, so the disinformation campaign no longer works (eg "for the children", ad nauseaum). Next, let's look at the current roster of blunt instrument tools: legal justification(s), constitutional foreclosure, and confiscation.

OK, so far so good, right? Patriots know what the enemy is doing, and they know details of the current set of tools, therefore are fully prepared to resist. And, as I noted on a previous thread, the left isn't stupid. They can no more leave their safe spaces and security citadels as patriots can mount a direct attack on DC. So, the existing stasis continues, with the each side relatively secure within their own respective spheres of influence.

Now, let's switch gears and think about this "problem" from the left's perspective. Much like the British developing the tank to break through defensive trenches, what long(er) term plan(s) do the proglibs have in store to break the stalemate?

Well, again the obvious answer is population substitution, as the old guard is replaced by newer, more passive, dumber and weaker illegals, along with other 3rd work immigrants who don't have any history of rebellion. If I was a leftist general, this is exactly what I would do - simply play out the waiting game that leads to a demographic tilt within a generation or two.

But what about top secret, black programs to accelerate the process? I'm one who believes genetics/nature is 90-95% of the game. The left has tried the cultural/nurture play for a century with no real progress. So, ask yourself this question: how to reduce those imbued with a genetic disposition towards independence and rebellion against authority? After all, unlike every other country in the world, the US stands alone as the one nation where everyone with a bone to pick from wherever they came from got up and left. And here we are: an aggressive, belligerent, violent, difficult to govern/manage nation.

Question: how do you break the people? Simple: all you have to do is "change" the people to a more peaceful, malleable state. And how do you do that: easy, genetic engineering. See where this is going? That's why an idiot like Beto could be taken out by his own side; what a dunce for spilling the beans. Rather, the top echelon players know full well that the way to defeat the American people and finally rule the world is to simply eliminate those pesky traits that keep interfering with management. Think of the TX ranchers who simply phased out recalcitrant longhorns for more passive Euro cattle.

Same principles of animal husbandry apply here as well: cull the malcontents and transition to overall population aka 'herd' to a group more easy governed. QED Think about it - once you get the big picture, it obsoletes all these tired, incremental battles of mere yards. Focus on the big picture of the ultimate goal, and how very smart and ambitious people attracted to power & control are game playing how to defeat the right once and for all.

53 posted on 09/20/2019 12:51:20 PM PDT by semantic
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