Danny Denier post #361:
"Pure sophistry.
Joey uses exactly the same smear tactics as his buddies on the Far-Left.
What he will not tell you is, he is an apologist for the anti-Christian ACLU communists and their war on the free exercise of religion, nor will he tell you that his religion of evolutionism was one of the chief holocaust enablers, not to mention the enabler of eugenics, virulent racism, and the other 20th century butchers: Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot." That's an amazing rant, not a word of truth in it -- something I would fully expect from a Holocaust denier and now also confirmed in an evolution denier.
Denial is denial, despicable tactics are the same, only the subject matter changes.
See Denier Rules especially #8.
Danny Denier:"Evolutionism is dead, Joey.
Only a handful of science deniers, like you, still worship that religion, and its prophet, Charlie Darwin."
Written from the hand of a true denier, totally false.
Danny Denier Rules #1, #2, #5, #6, #7 & #13.
Danny Denier:"From the beginning, the theories of evolution and uniformitarianism were used to deceive people, especially children, into doubting the Word of God.
That was one of the stated goals of Charles Lyell:"
The alleged response in 1880 of the Bishop of Birmingham’s wife on learning that Charles Darwin claimed human beings were descended from monkeys, she is reported to have said to her husband,
‘My dear, let us hope it is not true; but, if it is true, let us hope it will not become generally known.’
That story is certainly apocryphal, first invented in 1893 by one pastor Robert Forman Horton, and his point was:
Don't Fear the Truth!.
Danny Denier:"You are such a nasty child, Joey."
Denier Rules #5, #6 & #7.
Danny Denier:"If Joey has a clue what science entailed, and had any respect for it, he would seek out the underlying science, rather than the fake-news headlines of the "scientific" orthodoxy to promote his worldview."
Nonsense, more Danny Denier Rules #5, #6 & #7.
Danny Denier:"Don't be fooled by Joey's sanctimonious sophistry.
He is the consummate science denier.
There is now, and has been, a virtual army of paleontologists, biologists, and genetic researchers, worldwide, seeking evidence for evolution; and what have they found:
Nothing!
There is not a shred of evidence for evolution to be found anywhere: not in day-to-day observations, not in the fossil record, not in biology, and especially not in genetics.
There is plenty of evidence for devolution (the loss of genetic information), but none for evolution (the gain in genetic information)."
And still more absurd nonsense, Danny Denier Rules #1, #2, #5, #6, #7 & #13.
Danny Denier:"You are lying, Joey.
God told us that, at the beginning of creation, he formed man from the dust of the ground and breathed the breath of life into his nostrils"
Right, that's just what I said, meaning: if I lied saying it, you're also lying now.
Danny Denier:"God NEVER said man evolved from a bacteria, or a frog, or an ape, before breathing the breath of life into his nostrils.
Only a deceiver would add words to the scripture and pretend they belong there."
Well... first, natural science in general does not add a single word to scripture because science only deals in natural explanations for natural processes.
So scripture is outside the limits of science.
Second, the Bible does not tell us how God created mankind, except that He started with dirt, which is also roughly what science suggests.
I see no conflict there. ![]()
>>Kalamata post #361: "Joey uses exactly the same smear tactics as his buddies on the Far-Left. What he will not tell you is, he is an apologist for the anti-Christian ACLU communists and their war on the free exercise of religion, nor will he tell you that his religion of evolutionism was one of the chief holocaust enablers, not to mention the enabler of eugenics, virulent racism, and the other 20th century butchers: Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot."
>>Joey Denier: "That's an amazing rant, not a word of truth in it -- something I would fully expect from a Holocaust denier and now also confirmed in an evolution denier. Denial is denial, despicable tactics are the same, only the subject matter changes."
It is all true.
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>>Kalamata:"From the beginning, the theories of evolution and uniformitarianism were used to deceive people, especially children, into doubting the Word of God. That was one of the stated goals of Charles Lyell:"
>>Joey Denier: "The alleged response in 1880 of the Bishop of Birmingham’s wife on learning that Charles Darwin claimed human beings were descended from monkeys, she is reported to have said to her husband, ‘My dear, let us hope it is not true; but, if it is true, let us hope it will not become generally known.’ That story is certainly apocryphal, first invented in 1893 by one pastor Robert Forman Horton, and his point was: Don't Fear the Truth!.
This is Satan's helper, Charlie Lyell, in his own words:
"I am sure you may get into Q. R. what will free the science from Moses, for if treated seriously, the party are quite prepared for it. A bishop, Buckland ascertained (we suppose Sumner), gave Ure a dressing in the 'British Critic and Theological Review.' They see at last the mischief and scandal brought on them by Mosaic systems. Eerussac has done nothing but believe in the universal ocean up to the chalk period till lately. Prevost has done a little, but is a diluvialist, a rare thing in France." [Letter to Poulett Scrope, Esq., 9 Crown Office Row, Temple, June 14, 1830, in Charles Lyell, "Life, letters and journals of Sir Charles Lyell Vol I." John Murray, 1881, Chap. XI, p.268]
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>>Kalamata:"Don't be fooled by Joey's sanctimonious sophistry. He is the consummate science denier. There is now, and has been, a virtual army of paleontologists, biologists, and genetic researchers, worldwide, seeking evidence for evolution; and what have they found: Nothing! There is not a shred of evidence for evolution to be found anywhere: not in day-to-day observations, not in the fossil record, not in biology, and especially not in genetics. There is plenty of evidence for devolution (the loss of genetic information), but none for evolution (the gain in genetic information)."
>>Joey Denier: "And still more absurd nonsense, Kalamata Rules #1, #2, #5, #6, #7 & #13."
It is all true.
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>>Kalamata:"You are lying, Joey. God told us that, at the beginning of creation, he formed man from the dust of the ground and breathed the breath of life into his nostrils"
>>Joey Denier: "Right, that's just what I said, meaning: if I lied saying it, you're also lying now."
That is not what you said in #244:
[Joey Denier] "As for our ancestors, the Bible teaches we were made from mud! Sounds amazingly like abiogenesis to me."
Mud? Abiogenesis? Where is that in the text, Joey? It appears you are trying to squeeze man-invented "mud-to bacteria-to apes-to man over millions of years" out of this verse:
"And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life" -- Gen 2:7 KJV
And there is more to the story:
"And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth . . . So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them . . . And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day . . . And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul . . . Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man. But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female." -- Gen 1:26,27,31, 2:7, 9:6; Mar 10:6 KJV
As you can see, God said man and woman were created at the beginning of creation, not many billions of years afterward, as Charlie Darwin imagined, and as Joey teaches.
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>>Kalamata:"God NEVER said man evolved from a bacteria, or a frog, or an ape, before breathing the breath of life into his nostrils. Only a deceiver would add words to the scripture and pretend they belong there."
>>Joey Denier: "Well... first, natural science in general does not add a single word to scripture because science only deals in natural explanations for natural processes. So scripture is outside the limits of science."
In one instance you claim your teachings are biblical, and in next you claim the bible is outside the scope of your doctrine. I call that speaking out of both sides of your mouth.
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>>Joey Denier: "Second, the Bible does not tell us how God created mankind, except that He started with dirt, which is also roughly what science suggests. I see no conflict there. "
Science doesn't suggest anything of the sort, Joey; but you would have been a good Pharisee.
Mr Kalamata