Danny Denier:
">>Joey said: "God's creation is natural, God is supernatural."Danny Denier post #351: "That is philosophical hogwash."
I'd be curious to see what theologians you can quote who tell us that God is not supernatural and/or nature is not natural.
I've never seen it and seriously doubt if your claim here is anything more than Danny Denier going a little nuts with denial anger.
Danny Denier referring to God's supernatural majesty & power: "Your statement is more hogwash.
You do not believe there is science in the Bible, and you mock the historical record, so which parts "demonstrate God's supernatural majesty & power"?
Curious minds want to know."
You'll find it all beginning with Genesis 1:1 and ending with Revelation 22:21.
Danny Denier: "God told us how man became a living soul in the aforementioned statement, and it wasn't by evolving from an ape, as your wild imagination leads you to believe."
The Bible says God began with dirt and science thinks that's about right.
The Bible says God "...breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul."
That "breath of life" and "living soul" appear together, one resulting from the other and, most importantly, none of those words applying to any other creature.
I think God's breath of life gave us living souls and that's what makes us fully human and distinct from every other creature before us.
I also think, Danny boy, that if you thought about it, you'd see it's true but now you are so enraged with denial you literally can't see anything with your good eyes.
Danny Denier: "Show us that in the Bible, or admit that you are adding your own words to the scripture."
No, I neither added to nor subtracted from the Bible.
I simply pointed out the fact that nowhere does the Bible say God breathed the breathe of life into any other creature or created in them a living soul.
Danny Denier: "That is nutty.
God created man uniquely in his own image, and that of his previously created angels."
Now you're just raging against straw men.
Danny Denier referring to Matthew 17:20 : "You haven't seen anyone move any mountains lately, have you?"
So, are you telling us that Jesus lied to Matthew?
No, my point is the Bible tells us that humans are also capable of miracles and I think these are a function our living souls from God's breath of life.
I'm not Catholic but do notice the Catholic Church puts a lot of faith in supernatural miracles to help them define just who is or is not a saint.
Danny Denier: "How does that prove your nutty belief that man evolved from an ape, or a frog, or a bacteria?"
It doesn't need to.
It only needs to show that theologically the Bible is not necessarily opposed to science in general or evolution theory specifically. ![]()
>>Deceitful Joey wrote, "I'd be curious to see what theologians you can quote who tell us that God is not supernatural and/or nature is not natural. I've never seen it and seriously doubt if your claim here is anything more than Danny Denier going a little nuts with denial anger."
When you show me the word "supernatural" in the scripture, I will repeat the uses of the word "natural" in the scripture and the works of the Early Church Fathers, that you have thus far ignored.
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>>Danny Denier referring to God's supernatural majesty & power: "Your statement is more hogwash. You do not believe there is science in the Bible, and you mock the historical record, so which parts "demonstrate God's supernatural majesty & power"? Curious minds want to know."
>>Deceitful Joey wrote, "You'll find it all beginning with Genesis 1:1 and ending with Revelation 22:21."
Which parts, Joey?
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>>Danny Denier: "God told us how man became a living soul in the aforementioned statement, and it wasn't by evolving from an ape, as your wild imagination leads you to believe."
>>Deceitful Joey wrote, "The Bible says God began with dirt and science thinks that's about right. The Bible says God "...breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul." That "breath of life" and "living soul" appear together, one resulting from the other and, most importantly, none of those words applying to any other creature. I think God's breath of life gave us living souls and that's what makes us fully human and distinct from every other creature before us."
You left out the words, "after man evolved from a "self-replicating" molecule, via an ape" which you added to the scripture to make it fit the doctrine of your evolutionism religion. God frowns on man-made additions to his Word, Joey:
"Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him. Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar." -- Pro 30:5-6 KJV
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>>Bible Denier Joey wrote, "I also think, Danny boy, that if you thought about it, you'd see it's true but now you are so enraged with denial you literally can't see anything with your good eyes."
I don't see how any good can come from teaching our children anything that is contrary to the Word of God, such as man evolving from an ape. I am reasonably certain you have heard this before:
A frog turning into a prince is called a fairy tale.
A frog turning into a prince over millions of years is called science.
But it is still a fairy tale, no matter what you call it.
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>>Danny Denier: "Show us that in the Bible, or admit that you are adding your own words to the scripture."
>>Bible Denier Joey wrote, "No, I neither added to nor subtracted from the Bible. I simply pointed out the fact that nowhere does the Bible say God breathed the breathe of life into any other creature or created in them a living soul."
That is horrendously deceitful, Joey! A LIE by omission! You left out the most important part of your statement: the part where you claim the existence of "pre-humans" who became human! This is your statement in full:
[Joey] "No other creature has a "living soul", meaning no other creature, including pre-humans was truly alive spiritually. That moment in time is the precise moment when pre-human became fully human."
Now, Joey, please show us where in the Bible we can find pre-humans turning into humans, or admit you added your own words to the scripture.
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>>Danny Denier: "That is nutty. God created man uniquely in his own image, and that of his previously created angels."
>>Bible Denier Joey wrote, "Now you're just raging against straw men."
How so, Joey? Are you denying God created man uniquely in his own image, and the image of his previously created angels? Or, are you in the cover-up mode?
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>>Danny Denier referring to Matthew 17:20 : "You haven't seen anyone move any mountains lately, have you?"
>>Bible Denier Joey wrote, "So, are you telling us that Jesus lied to Matthew?"
Did I say Jesus lied to Matthew, Joey; or is that more misdirection?
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>>Bible Denier Joey wrote, "No, my point is the Bible tells us that humans are also capable of miracles and I think these are a function our living souls from God's breath of life. I'm not Catholic but do notice the Catholic Church puts a lot of faith in supernatural miracles to help them define just who is or is not a saint."
Again, you haven't seen anyone move any mountains lately, have you? All it takes is faith as a grain of mustard seed? The disciples and a few early Christians received supernatural powers; but none afterward, that I am aware of.
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>>Danny Denier: "How does that prove your nutty belief that man evolved from an ape, or a frog, or a bacteria?"
>>Bible Denier Joey wrote, "It doesn't need to. It only needs to show that theologically the Bible is not necessarily opposed to science in general or evolution theory specifically."
That is true perhaps in Joey's "Revised Edition," which apparently reads:
"And the Lord God formed bacteria from the dust of the ground, which over millions of years evolved into an ape, and then a man; and then God breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul." -- Gen 2:7 KJV
I have 26 Bible translations, Joey, and none mention the part about molecules-to-ape-to-man. Bible Gateway lists even more translations, again without the molecules-to-man part:
https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/genesis%202:7
You must have added those words to the scripture, Joey.
Mr. Kalamata