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Trump orders flags to half-staff as 'mark of solemn respect' for victims of shootings
The Hill ^ | August 4, 2019 | Kyle Balluck

Posted on 08/04/2019 10:02:59 AM PDT by jazusamo

President Trump on Sunday ordered U.S. flags to half-staff as "mark of solemn respect" for the victims of weekend mass shootings in El Paso, Texas and Dayton, Ohio.

"Our Nation mourns with those whose loved ones were murdered in the tragic shootings in El Paso, Texas, and Dayton, Ohio, and we share in the pain and suffering of all those who were injured in these two senseless attacks," Trump said in a proclamation released by the White House.

"We condemn these hateful and cowardly acts," he added. "Through our grief, America stands united with the people of El Paso and Dayton.

"May God be with the victims of these two horrific crimes and bring aid and comfort to their families and friends."

Flags will be flown at half-staff at federal facilities until sunset on Thursday.

At least 20 people were killed on Saturday at a Walmart in El Paso. Hours later, nine people died when a gunman opened fire at a bar in Dayton.

--This report was updated at 12:53 p.m.


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; US: Ohio; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; banglist; dayton; elpaso; flagshalfstaff; nra; ohio; presidenttrump; secondamendment; shootingvictims; texas; trump
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To: jazusamo
Please understand I am in no way unsympathetic (I literally cannot imagine) of the grief the victims' families are suffering from these horrific attacks on these innocent people, but I just don't think flying our flag at half-staff is the appropriate response.

It almost seems unusual when the flag is flying proudly at full staff because every single day in America there is always a "good reason" -- out of respect; out of honor, etc. etc. -- to lower the flag because someone -- even in these instances where there are many -- has died. I hope everyone understands what I'm trying to say here and that I am in no way being disrepectful of the victims or attempting to minimize the horror of what has happened. I am not.

21 posted on 08/04/2019 10:28:15 AM PDT by glennaro
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To: Responsibility2nd

Agreed.


22 posted on 08/04/2019 10:28:32 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: al baby

Add them to the list, but Liberals don’t equate them with Murdered Children.


23 posted on 08/04/2019 10:30:02 AM PDT by Kickass Conservative (Socialism is a gateway Ideology.)
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To: jazusamo; PROCON; carriage_hill; DaveLoneRanger
Thanks, Mr. President, but in addition to flags at half staff and "thoughts and prayers"--how about issuing an EO nullifying every "gun free zone" on private property?
24 posted on 08/04/2019 10:31:53 AM PDT by lightman (Byzantine Troparia: The "praise choruses" of antiquity.)
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To: rktman

Not interested in this ‘collective’ mourning ‘habit’ that the news media promotes for political advantage anymore.... But lowering the flag was a proper enough jester to sustain the nations calmness.

And so....they’re not getting my prayers nor my thoughts as they spew now on the airwaves to garner support for more gun laws.


25 posted on 08/04/2019 10:32:07 AM PDT by caww
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To: glennaro

Lowering the flag is just to sustain calm in the nation....this is being promoted as a Race/Gun issue by the media...who in todays world is our worst enemy anymore!


26 posted on 08/04/2019 10:36:40 AM PDT by caww
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To: jazusamo

Yeah, right. And in Chicago the beat goes on.


27 posted on 08/04/2019 10:37:28 AM PDT by TalBlack (Damn right I'll "do something" you fat, balding son of a bitch!)
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To: DCBryan1
73 people were shot in Chicago this weekend.

BOOM-shaka-laka! That should be the response to everybody who tries to blame the shootings in El Paso, Dayton and Gilroy on President Trump and, by extension, his supporters.

73 people were shot in Chicago this weekend, you gonna blame that on President Trump, too?

28 posted on 08/04/2019 10:37:41 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: caww

Excellent point. Thanks!


29 posted on 08/04/2019 10:39:33 AM PDT by glennaro
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To: Responsibility2nd; al baby

It isn’t that don’t feel grief and sympathy for those murdered and affected by this, I but I grit my teeth every time we lower the flag to half mast for these kinds of things.

I feel that it puts us in a mode of perpetual victimhood. It makes the gesture meaningless.

Every time some Senator like Kennedy or McCain dies, down it goes. A President I understand. I understand 9/11. But Whitney Houston? Bob Hope, one could make an argument for even if I loved what he stood for but would oppose it on principle.

I can’t how many times I have seen the flag at half mast over the last 30 years or so and thought “Huh. I wonder what the flag is at half mast for again.”


30 posted on 08/04/2019 10:39:50 AM PDT by rlmorel (Trump to China: This Capitalist Will Not Sell You the Rope with Which You Will Hang Us.)
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To: jazusamo

THIS HAS TO STOP.

Sick of seeing the flag lowered. That was NOT the original plan of the US Code. Constantly lowered, a sign of weakness and pathetic groveling.

How can we start a movement to stop the pres from constantly lowering? This did NOT happen before 9/11. Now it’s like a virus.


31 posted on 08/04/2019 10:41:00 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Federal-run medical care is as good as state-run DMVs)
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To: jazusamo

Actually, there have been 4 SHOOTINGS in 8 DAYS....!!!!!

Gilroy Garlic festival mass shooting LAST Sunday in Calif 7/28.

Mississippi Walmart shooting multiple victims Friday this past week.

El Paso Texas Walmart mass shooting yesterday, Saturday.

Dayton Ohio outside a bar mass shooting today, Sunday.

Gotta ask.......Who is organizing all day this??? Too many shootings too soon to not be part of some “plan”. Political? To force rescinding of 2nd Amendment? With shooters willing to die?......stopped only by being shot (with 3 of the 4 shooters dead.) “Suicide shooters”? Taking a lesson from suicide bombers?

SOMETHING is going on here! And it’s NOT Trump or Republican generated. Who’s left? New jihadist cell? Angry far lefts? Antifas?


32 posted on 08/04/2019 10:42:13 AM PDT by CAGOPgramma (In God we still trust!!)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Trivializing is not even what worries me. I’m sick of the constant prostrate position we seem to be in, lowering it. This did not happen before 9/11. And frankly, NONE of the atrocities comes anywhere close to that, nor were they foreign attacks. This sickening nonsense has to stop.


33 posted on 08/04/2019 10:44:55 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Federal-run medical care is as good as state-run DMVs)
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To: rlmorel

Trumps calming the nation by the jester.....media’s pushing these events as racial/gun control issues. It’s been used as a jester in the past when a nation is unsettled.

I so hate these news pundits and reporters today....they have fully lost their bearings about reporting or being journalists. They’ve all become political activists.


34 posted on 08/04/2019 10:45:34 AM PDT by caww
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To: rlmorel

Trumps calming the nation by the jester.....media’s pushing these events as racial/gun control issues. It’s been used as a jester in the past when a nation is unsettled.

I so hate these news pundits and reporters today....they have fully lost their bearings about reporting or being journalists. They’ve all become political activists.


35 posted on 08/04/2019 10:45:34 AM PDT by caww
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To: CAGOPgramma

Agree!!


36 posted on 08/04/2019 10:45:52 AM PDT by Jane Long (Praise God, from whom ALL blessings flow.)
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To: glennaro

YOU are Absolutely correct. I get sopissed driving into work and seeing AGAIN US flag lowered! I’m asking my husband WHY NOW?

And now the governors are into it! US flag might be up, but state flag is down!

This NEVER happened before 9/11. Now it’s every freakin week.

We need to join and set up a group to petition about this nonsense.


37 posted on 08/04/2019 10:48:26 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Federal-run medical care is as good as state-run DMVs)
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To: jazusamo
Lowering the flag has lost its meaning. I believe this action should be reserved FOR MILITARY SERVICE MEMBERS AND HEADS OF STATE ONLY, but I am old school and will NEVER budge on this issue.

It also bothers me when I see American flag patches on police officer's uniforms. ARE THEY NATIONAL POLICE? NO! They SHOULD have their State flag on their uniforms NOT the American flag! THIS SHOULD BE RESERVED FOR OUR MILITARY SERVICE MEMBERS ONLY BECAUSE ONLY THEY ARE SERVING TO PROTECT OUR FLAG!

Lowering the flag for CIVILIAN massacres and application of the American flag on LOCAL police uniforms CHEAPENS THE UNIQUE ROLE AND SERVICE OUR HEROIC MILITARY MEMBERS PERFORM!!

38 posted on 08/04/2019 10:48:55 AM PDT by CivilWarBrewing (Get off my back for my usage of CAPS, especially you snowflake males! MAN UP!)
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To: CivilWarBrewing

Might as well keep it permanently at half-staff, I mean people die every day.


39 posted on 08/04/2019 10:49:50 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: CAGOPgramma

My thoughts exactly.


40 posted on 08/04/2019 10:53:57 AM PDT by 4Runner
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