Posted on 01/26/2019 12:42:30 AM PST by vannrox
The idea of secession needs to become acceptable, before it can happen.
Right now most Americans are of the opinion that the Civil War “decided” the matter of secession. In other words they buy into the “might makes right” theory of politics. So even in States where one might hope it would be possible to form a political movement for secession, there is almost zero support for it. People who call for it are branded as kooks. The most common refrain in dismissing them is “that was settled in the Civil War.”
Therefore, those who favor the deconstruction of the USA into smaller less destructive States, have two tasks that need to be undertaken simultaneously: make secession an acceptable idea again, and simultaneously lay the groundwork for one or more specific secessions that are pleasing to our communities.
A lot of people are working on the latter task, but no one is really working on the former. Sure there are occasional articles and books on the topic of “the South was legally right in their secession”, but that only has fringe appeal, and such arguments quickly becomes bogged down in discussions of slavery.
A new approach is needed to advance the concept of secession as a viable option for the United States.
The best way to make the secession idea acceptable is to find the most sympathetic poster child for the cause, and promote them. This is a proven tactic that the Left uses constantly, and effectively.
In the USA the most sympathetic poster child for secession is Hawaii.
Hawaii, unlike all other states, was an independent nation with diplomatic recognition from many other states, for decades, prior to incorporation into the USA. It had an undisputed government, and an equally clear indigenous people who the islands belonged to. The Hawaiians had been the sole inhabitants of the islands for at least 1000 years.
The Kingdom of Hawaii lasted from 1795 until its overthrow in 1893. This is a historical fact which is not subject to dispute. While their are some other short lived Republics in American history, all of them were essentially interregnums.
Vermont, which was reluctant to join the Union, was the longest holdout in the Revolutionary period. From 1777 to 1791 they were an independent entity, although their sovereignty was in question until the British surrender in 1781. Their entrance into the Union was both a democratic exercise and voluntary.
The Republic of Texas also lasted about 10 years, from the defeat of Mexico until the successful bid to join the United States, in 1845. This was preceded by an election where a large majority of Texans approved of Statehood.
In marked contrast, the much older Hawaiian Monarchy was overthrown by a small group of white citizens of Hawaii who were backed by the United States government, including the US Marines.
This is therefore, the perfect modern morality play. We can use the Left’s own themes against them. “A successful country run by brown people and for brown people was violently overthrown by white men. A successful female head of state was deposed and replaced with a man. It is a clear case of neo-colonialism.”
If a large enough secession movement could win a referendum in Hawaii it would be very very difficult for a Democratic run government to do anything but grant the secession. Those opposing it would be branded as racists, sexists, colonialists and fascists.
One can easily imagine thought leaders of the Democratic Party like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Maxine Waters making impassioned speeches, and President Michelle Obama signing the resulting law granting Hawaii independence.
At that point the floodgates are opened, and the rest of the States and regions seeking independence can flow through them.
I think GraceG was saying exactly what you are, only in a humorous way. It was a “tongue-in-cheek” statement. I think.
Add to that, homosexuality. The Dems whole culture is DEATH and anti-reproduction.
Yeah, the same thing happened in the Soviet Union.. Reagan saw it. He knew just the slightest push and the whole thing would fall... He knew that people of good character would never give their best to support such a terrible government.. I think we are just about there...
Yes, that too!!
I was thinking, recently, that they truly are the Party of Destruction™. They destroy EVERYTHING they can get their evil hands on....
- Babies/sanctity of life.
- Marriage.
- Families.
- Economies.
- Countries.
- Communities.
- Peoples Reputations w/FALSE accusations.
...
On and on. And, each category could have numerous sub-category examples.
My analogy between the Roman republic and now is intentionally accurate.
A functional country defends its borders and has a rational immigration system providing for the country’s needs and interests
A functional country has the capacity to identify traitors and prosecute treason
A functional country has a tariff-based tax system relieving its citizens of the burden of income-tax
A functional country has a military capable of providing for the defense of its borders and of international trade routes
A functional country has a clean election, not disenfranchising its citizens
Consequently a functional country has a bond market the envy of the world and credit “good as gold”
The USA was built to last, it is as strong as the Roman republic!!!!
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And Nero fiddled as Rome burned, andChristians were persecuted.
With the declarations of sanctuary, the governor of California has already seceeded.
The President should invade California with US Army troops, capture the entire government and downgrade the state to federally controlled Territorial status. In so doing, the entire congressional and senate delegations would cease to exist. The territorial border can be placed under firm militry control .
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“The President should invade California with US Army troops, capture the entire government and downgrade the state to federally controlled Territorial status. In so doing, the entire congressional and senate delegations would cease to exist. The territorial border can be placed under firm militry control .”
We already have the tested legal apparatus to implement the above in the 1867-68 Reconstruction Acts. And it does begin with the appointment of a military governor and necessary troops. It also includes barring the state from any representation in the US Congress until certain conditions are met.
“The USA was built to last, it is as strong as the Roman republic! “
So where are we, Sulla or Caesar? One thing is for certain, we are not a constutional republic with equal protection under the law. Either we get behind secession, CW2 or benevolent dictatorship. But right now, we are headed into a leftist globalist tyranny because we have weak and compromised leaders.
But conservatives have to start getting in the mindset of refusing to cooperate with Federal agents and depending on your locality, local law enforcement. We also need jurors to strongly assert the presumption of innocence. We need to think of the State and bureaucrats as the enemy until proven otherwise.
Bingo!
The situation is more like an inoperable cancer that doesn’t lend itself to separation - the condition must be resolved internally with minimum disruption to healthy surroundings.
It will require rejuvenating traditional institutions such as, to name just two, our education systems and our immigration policies - i.e., causing them to reflect and honor American principles rather than one-world systems and other anti-American concepts.
As one simple example, when the founder of CAIR announces, "The Koran should be the highest authority in America..." our government system should immediately recognize a challenge to its duty to protect our borders. (It may have, but importing additional Muslims seems contraindicated.)
No host should be expected to do otherwise or long survive if it ignores that duty.
There are a number of subtle forces which even if acting independently strive for the same result. Here some would point as an example to Pelosi's rather passionate denial of an obviously required upgrade to our national security. What is not so subtle are the increasing gains over recent decades made by anti-American efforts.
Add religion to your lust.
Typo list
Another good question is WHY the rats are so dead-set on destroying America as it was founded and built?
Why turn it into some God forsaken hell hole like Somalia?
Even in their mentally ill delusional state they must realize their life will suck right along with everyone else if they get their way.
A peaceful transition to a two or three-region division is going to have to be sought and achieved. Liberal states led by the heavily populated behemoths of CA and NY don’t want to coexist peacefully with the conservative bastions of this country; they want to destroy and rule them with an iron fist.
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Multiple regions are easily subverted. Set one against the other, first. If three emerge, then what alliances will subsequently form until it is 2 against one?
We have rules, laws and institutions. We need to activate them, fight for internal control within them and prepare for a period of discomfort and chaos while we do so.
Today, we are under a weather emergency. Not only is it brutally cold outside, for many people, this week-ten days of freezing temps will result in financial hardship indoors as people choose between next months utility bills and immediate needs for food, fuel and medication.
This will galvanize a very few, who are likely already aware and prepared. The rest will only remember until the bills are finally paid and they will go back to being hypnotized.
I fear the coming struggle is beyond the majority. All solutions, except girded loins and ice cold determination to persevere by whatever means are at hand, are flawed if they rely on a mass uprising and sustainable struggle.
I just do not see the bodies willing to put themselves on the line.
Unfortunately, IMO the group "they" consists of two predominant types: one's who by circumstances are overwhelmed by the responsibility of providing for themselves and their families and, secondly, those usually insecure self-interested opportunists who need and are able to seize control by assuring the others they can so provide.
The solution then, would seem to depend on how well a society educates its young and does everything possible to provide a stable economy.
After that, I am well in over my head. {;^)
At that level; I think we all are. The best we can do is try to make sense of it all and maybe give a good rant now and again.
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