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These U.S. industries can't work without illegal immigrants
CBS ^ | January 10, 2019 | Mary Jo Dudley

Posted on 01/14/2019 4:51:54 AM PST by lowbridge

The nation's attention is once again focused on the southern border, where President Trump claims the U.S. is facing a "crisis" over illegal immigration.

Sometimes forgotten as the nation focuses attention on migrants currently trying to cross the border is that millions of undocumented immigrants continue to live in the U.S. – and most of them work. 

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Since agriculture is the industry that's most reliant on undocumented workers – and it's my area of expertise and research – let's zoom in on it.

Overall, the agricultural industry in the United States has been on the decline since 1950. Back then, farming was a family business that employed more than 10 million workers, 77 percent of whom were classified as "family." As of 2000 – the latest such data available – only 3 million work on farms, and as noted earlier, an estimated half are undocumented.

Increasingly, dairy farms such as those in New York rely on workers from Mexico and Guatemala, many of whom are believed to be undocumented. Currently, there is no visa program for year-round workers on dairy farms, so the precarious status of these workers poses serious concerns for the economic viability of the dairy industry.

In 2017 research conducted by the Cornell Farmworker Program, 30 New York dairy farmers told us they turned to undocumented workers because they were unable to find and keep reliable U.S. citizens to do the jobs. That's in part because farm work can be physically demanding, dirty and socially denigrated work. More importantly, it is one the most dangerous occupations in the U.S.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aliens; illegalimmigration; immigration
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To: lowbridge

The author/Cornell prof ... in the middle

101 posted on 01/14/2019 6:53:55 AM PST by BookmanTheJanitor
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To: lowbridge

Nonsense! Supply-Demand-Wages-Prices fixes everything.


102 posted on 01/14/2019 6:54:22 AM PST by faucetman (Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: papertyger

Resorting to name calling tells me you ran out of facts. Bummer.


103 posted on 01/14/2019 6:54:26 AM PST by shelterguy
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To: SmokingJoe
No, it comes down to the availability of capital. Entire industries don’t retool just because better equipment exists.

My industry operates fifty year old equipment right next to the cutting edge stuff and still maintains its margins, because everyone else in the same industry is operating under the same capital constraints.

You’re looking at history like it’s an event instead of a process.

104 posted on 01/14/2019 6:55:22 AM PST by papertyger (Trump, A president so great, that Democrats who said they would leave America if he won, stayed!)
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To: lowbridge
Government subsidies for farmers....check.

Government looks the other way as illegals work for farmers....check

State laws exempting farmers from liability for accidents caused by illegal workers.......check

Oh it’s true the industry would suffer without illegals......it’s just that the suffering would amount to less profit for farmers.

105 posted on 01/14/2019 6:55:31 AM PST by liberalh8ter (The only difference between flash mob 'urban yutes' and U.S. politicians is the hoodies.)
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To: LilFarmer

Exactly. Great money to be made in the trades these days. Most kids these days don’t have the skills or smarts for it.
No spacial reasoning, no idea how anything works or goes together. They are content to sit in a little cubicle forever.


106 posted on 01/14/2019 6:56:56 AM PST by shelterguy
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To: Drew68

I worked construction during the early 90s...


I live in a part of the country where construction work is still done by American citizens. But if you go to places like SoCal, Chicago, Atlanta, etc. the work is nearly all done by non-citizens legal or otherwise. Same thing is true here even for yard work. All done by young white and black men. But in large parts of the country it’s being done by non-English speakers.

The really sad thing is that hard, outdoor work is what some of our young men want and need. It used to be that a man could make a decent and honest living swinging a hammer. Let’s face it, not all are suited for school and college. But these opportunities are being stolen from them by illegals. Another reason to build the wall.


107 posted on 01/14/2019 6:57:29 AM PST by hanamizu
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To: shelterguy
Starting pay twenty bucks an hour for no skills. How much is “pay them enough”? On prevailing wage projects it’s 40-50 an hour. The potential workforce is severely limited due to laziness and the inability to pass a simple piss test.

I do not believe a word of that. You are full of sh!+. If $20 is not enough go for $21. It is not rocket science.

108 posted on 01/14/2019 6:59:29 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn)
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To: shelterguy

Communists like to fix wages too.


109 posted on 01/14/2019 7:00:06 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn)
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To: lowbridge

CBS (Communist Broadcast Service) isjust part of the leftist elite that think they can bring benevolent slavery to the USA.


110 posted on 01/14/2019 7:02:12 AM PST by Retvet (Retvet)
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To: shelterguy
Resorting to name calling tells me you ran out of facts. Bummer.

I gave you facts, and you chose to cherry pick from my statements to respond like a pissed-off, adolescent, girl to insult my coworkers.

So now we’re supposed to buy your sanctimonious complaint of “name calling?”

Nice bubble you got there! God forbid anything should happen to it!

111 posted on 01/14/2019 7:04:44 AM PST by papertyger (Trump, A president so great, that Democrats who said they would leave America if he won, stayed!)
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To: lowbridge
Cesar Chavez set up citizen watch committees at the border to blow the whistle on "los mojados," --- the "wet" ones, the illegal immigrants.

He would have a word to say to these venal employers who claim to have a need for rent-a-slaves---illegals--- and therefore a right to them..

112 posted on 01/14/2019 7:05:13 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o
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To: lowbridge

The following US industries cannot operate without criminals:

Drug_dealing
Extortion
Employing people without proper documentation


113 posted on 01/14/2019 7:09:56 AM PST by AppyPappy (How many fingers am I holding up, Winston?)
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To: papertyger
Not all businesses have that kind of capital.

If the only way they can stay in business is by breaking the law, then perhaps they should not be in business.

114 posted on 01/14/2019 7:11:40 AM PST by PapaBear3625 ("Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities." -- Voltaire)
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To: marajade
Then raise the pay.

Ding, ding, ding - we have a thread winnah!

115 posted on 01/14/2019 7:11:40 AM PST by GOPJ (Replace furloughed government workers with illegals for ten bucks an hour. Show dems how it feels.)
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To: marajade

“Maybe the dairy industry ought to be looking for innovation.”

It has... in many ways. But it is still labor intensive and Americans don’t want to work.

But paying higher wages would be ok if USA closed our market to foreign imports and set a fixed price of $6.50 per gallon for milk.


116 posted on 01/14/2019 7:15:08 AM PST by tired&retired (Blessings)
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To: harpu

“Not word one about how Wisconsin ‘gets it done’ with American workers & technology...hmmmm!”

They have just as many illegals working as the other states.


117 posted on 01/14/2019 7:16:18 AM PST by tired&retired (Blessings)
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To: IncPen
Research shows as soon as 'illegals' are made citizens they STOP working the fields and move into higher paying trade jobs - again working for less than American workers.

What the idiots in DC have created is a system where new illegals must be added every few years to replace the people who have 'moved up'...

It's nuts.

Worse, displaced Americans are NOT on 'furloughed' with paychecks waiting in the future - they're on the street looking for work. Screw democrats and their fake 'compassion'...

118 posted on 01/14/2019 7:19:16 AM PST by GOPJ (Replace furloughed government workers with illegals for ten bucks an hour. Show dems how it feels.)
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To: central_va

Start a construction company and let me know how it goes. You might think you know what you are talking about because you stayed in a Holiday Inn Express last night but otherwise I would say you haven’t a clue.


119 posted on 01/14/2019 7:21:13 AM PST by shelterguy
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To: lowbridge

The quickest way to resolve this illegal immigration crisis is to start throwing business owners who hire them in jail. One the job market dries up, there’s no incentive for them to come. No wall necessary.


120 posted on 01/14/2019 7:24:19 AM PST by Magnatron
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