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"Civil Disturbance" Declared After Portland Riot Cops Use Flash Grenades On Antifa - PICTURE THREAD
Portland Police ^ | Aug 4, 2018 | Tyler Durdan

Posted on 08/04/2018 5:12:46 PM PDT by Jack Black

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To: Jack Black; Fred Nerks

Remember: Antifa is a liberal fascist organization.

This is the true history of Antifa’s precedents:

The Quintessential Liberal Fascist

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html

Now Dinesh D’Souza has taken up the banner of true history in his new film: “ Death of a Nation”:

https://www.dineshdsouza.com/films/death-of-a-nation/

Liberal fascism is very real, and we must recognize it and destroy it completely.


61 posted on 08/05/2018 6:30:23 AM PDT by Candor7 ((Obama Fascism)http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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To: Jack Black

The hell with flash grenades.

Use frags next time. Problem solved.


62 posted on 08/05/2018 6:33:41 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: 2CAVTrooper
Nice “shields” in that first pic. Won’t protect them from guns though.

Will be fairly effective against clubs and edged weapons. Will also be an effective shoving weapon. Shields have NEVER been a purely defensive weapon.

63 posted on 08/05/2018 6:38:01 AM PDT by NorthMountain (... the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: Jim Noble

yes

or perhaps 750 yards from multiple directions


64 posted on 08/05/2018 6:45:12 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12) Sanctuary is Sedition)
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To: Mears

Black bandanas covering faces have been allowed among left wing protesters since at least 2000 in Washington DC


65 posted on 08/05/2018 6:48:35 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12) Sanctuary is Sedition)
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To: concentric circles

Wonder how many of them lived to see 1945?


66 posted on 08/05/2018 6:50:37 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: FrdmLvr

I don’t think you know what “fascist” means.


67 posted on 08/05/2018 7:18:12 AM PDT by Jim Noble (p)
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To: Candor7
Liberal fascism is very real

Fascism is fundamentally anti-liberal. Liberalism and fascism cannot co-exist, one must eradicate the other.

Why do you suppose the most liberal power on Earth mounted a crusade to eliminate fascism from its cradles? Why do you suppose the liberal entertainment citadels make "fascists" their cartoon character enemies?

Why, when America is finally maturing into the communist state that the progressive movement always intended that the Red Front street fighting vanguard calls its enemies "fascists" in a country with no fascist opposition of any importance?

Our Red Front even copies the iconography of the German original. If they are "fascists", why did the REAL fascists either kill them or put them in concentration camps?

Referring to Antifa as "fascists" is ignorant.

68 posted on 08/05/2018 7:43:47 AM PDT by Jim Noble (p)
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To: concentric circles

You are one of the few who knows the German origins of Antifa.

And no, they’re not “fascists”.

That comes next.


69 posted on 08/05/2018 7:46:59 AM PDT by Jim Noble (p)
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To: bert
or perhaps 750 yards from multiple directions

Given the roiling, moving nature of black bloc attacks, I'm not sure how easy it would be to set up a kill box in advance.

But I'm too old and not a good enough shot beyond 100 yards to know.

I presume, however, that there are patriots with recent relevant experience who are working the problem.

70 posted on 08/05/2018 8:01:19 AM PDT by Jim Noble (p)
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To: RightGeek

Please, have to stand up to the CBS Radio New and others who repeat that sh*thead Antifa monsters are fighting “fascists”.

Take that slander away from the media:
Good people and all of us conservative are NOT “fascists” being opposed by others.

Liars!


71 posted on 08/05/2018 8:08:33 AM PDT by frank ballenger (End vote fraud , non citizen voting & leftist media news censorship ore're finished.)
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To: Jim Noble

That’s OK Jim Bo.

Read a little.

Fascism is now wagiing a war agaiunst America, liberal fascists.And yes AntiFa is a liberal fascist organization.

Start Here:

Barrack Obama: The Quintessential Liberal Fascist

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html


72 posted on 08/05/2018 11:17:32 AM PDT by Candor7 ((Obama Fascism)http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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To: Candor7
Does Antifa profess class struggle?

Is fascism (Italian, German, Spanish) pro- or anti- class struggle?

"Read a little"? You've GOT to be kidding! And then pointing me to a pinhead quoting Jonah Goldberg???

Try Giovanni Gentile for starters, and if you still think Antifa is in any way, shape, or form fascist get back to us.

73 posted on 08/05/2018 11:52:36 AM PDT by Jim Noble (p)
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To: Candor7; Jim Noble; frank ballenger
I view 'fascism' as a degraded word. It's like 'racism', it'a a powerful invective and accusation all rolled up in one. And even more so than 'racism' it's meaning is so fuzzy that it actually means almost nothing.

If you call someone a "c*cks*ck*r" or "m*th*rf*ck*r" you are not really accusing them, thoughtfully, of being a homosexual or having sex with a mother. Nope, it's just a swear word.

That's what fascism is becoming.

I try to limit my use of the word to the historic fascists of early 20th century. Mussolini, Franco and Hitler. Wkikipedia describes Fascism as:

Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a form of radical authoritarian ultranationalism,[1][2] characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition and control of industry and commerce,[3] which came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe.[4]

To try to say "Trump is a fascist" or "Obama is a fascist" are both equally ridiculous. Neither had dictatorial power, Obama left office on his due date. Even Obama didn't try to take over "industry" in America (Bush2 started the car company bailouts, and at the end of them USA sold all their GM stock to citizens).

And neither was ruling in early 20th Century Europe, either, so they can never be a part of real Fascism.

The antifa are Communists, or Anarchists, by their own admission. They carry communist flags, they carry anarchist flags, etc.

So it's particularly silly to claim they are fascists.

Everyone wants to hate fascists, but they forget that Franco was one of the most successful leaders of the 20th century, keeping Spain largely out of WW2 and ruling spain for almost 50 years, until his death, at which point the monarchy was restored.

74 posted on 08/05/2018 12:06:21 PM PDT by Jack Black
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To: \/\/ayne
“By them demonstrating on the same side during the event. In Arizona, Tea Party members famously chased off some Nazis who tried to demonstrate with them.”

First of all, the demonstration in Portland on Saturday was in favor of Free Speech and the right to peaceably assemble. Don't you think it would be kind of inconsistent to object to anyone joining their demonstration in support of that goal, in spite of even a fundamental difference of opinions on other topics?

2nd, the Proud Boys were not the only sponsors of the Free Speech rally and march. There was at least one other sponsor listed in the various articles on the event, the Patriot Prayer group. Why assume that the individual bearing the Confederate Battle Flag on a shield was a Proud Boy, instead of part of or affiliated with the other, or one of the other, sponsoring group(s)?

3rd, the PB -PP Free Speech rally and March had a legal permit to demonstrate; I do not know if that permit gave them permission to determine who could join their demonstration/parade, and who could not. Do you?

Finally, I am not as familiar with the Arizona rally as I perhaps ought to be. When was this rally? What was the topic, point that the Tea Party demonstrators were trying to make? What were the terms of the permit? Was the venue reserved for the sponsors only? Did the permit give the sponsors the power to determine who was allowed to join their demonstration? Did their permit give them the authority, or the discretion to ask the civil authorities to remove individuals or groups who tried to join their demonstration without permission?

I ask as one who has acted to winnow out disruptors at FreeRepublic demonstrations and counterdemonstrations. Unofficially, to be sure (although I have always said that we needed to have designated Security to handle that, in concert with the civil authorities). I have also done the same at Viet Nam War commemorations. And waaay back in the day, acted as a Volunteer Parade Marshal/Aide at a Flag Day Patriotic Rally and March in D.C. In that one, I actually had to physically block organized disruptors from invading our designated Rally site. So you see, I have some experience to base my questions on.

75 posted on 08/05/2018 12:56:16 PM PDT by VietVet
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To: VietVet
One, as you say; it's important to winnow out disrupters which you you yourself have done. So if the disrupters are welcome it makes me wonder about the group. If they were just infiltrators and were not chased away, well then they accomplished their mission in reverse. They didn't legitimize themselves but de-legitimatized the group.

2nd, I just picked one at random but sure, the same applies to Patriot Prayer or any other sponsor.

3rd, if you have a permit, usually you can decide who is at your demonstration which makes it even easier to kick out disrupters or sneaky racists.

4th, the video of the Tea Party event which was up North (I am in the South) is no longer there but I remember it clearly. There were no permits needed so yes, the Nazis had every legal right to stand there and pretend to be with the Tea Party. However, the Tea Party simply did not put up with it and physically chased them off, almost getting arrested for doing so. They didn't give up, though and the disrupting Nazis finally marched off in defeat realizing the entire protest would consist of Tea Party chasing them away which would not serve their purpose.

I hope I answered all your questions!
76 posted on 08/05/2018 1:54:10 PM PDT by \/\/ayne (I regret that I have but one subscription cancellation notice to give to my local newspaper.)
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To: Jim Noble

.....bingo.


77 posted on 08/05/2018 3:39:40 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet ...)
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To: Jack Black; All

I’ve lived in Portland for years, until recently...when I saw what was coming....

Portland is a demonic city, fewer churches per capita than any city its size, and MORE STRIP CLUBS per capita than any city in the world, except Bangkok.

I make a special effort to avoid the town now that I have moved 30 miles south, to safe country.


78 posted on 08/05/2018 3:45:01 PM PDT by Halgr (Once a Marine, always a Marine - Semper Fi)
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To: \/\/ayne

sorry, but you have not answered my questions. Logically, you have ‘begged the question,’ restated your premise without responding to the arguments against it.

Factually, you have assumed information not in evidence. The individual we have been discussing, and others dressed and accoutered in a similar fashion, were not disrupting the Free Speech Rally and March. They caused no disturbance (other than to individuals who disliked their symbols), initiated no violence nor damaged any property, giving neither the event’s organizers nor the civil authorities legal cause to evict them or to prevent their participation. The terms of the permit are not disclosed, certainly not in this exchange of ours, and what is ‘usually’ true may not be so in this particular instance. The authorities did act to separate and prevent the confrontation of counterprotesters who *did* exhibit intentions to disrupt the Rally, and who were displaying violent and disruptive behavior, so we can infer that the “Confederate Killer Bee”, and his colleages were not.

To infer that the individual we have been discussing was a ‘sneaky racist’ is going too far, also. The Confederate Battle Flag has been used as a symbol of racism, to be sure, but it has been and is being used as a symbol of other attitudes and opinions as well. And if he was/is a racist, by whatever definition, what of it? This was a Rally for Free Speech and the Freedom of Assembly, so his opinion on race and ethnicity are not at issue, but his right, anyone’s right to hold and express that opinion is.

I see you recognize that those individuals who “physically chased [the Nazis] off” almost got arrested for doing so. And that was in Arizona, a (presumably) friendly venue for Tea Party conservatives. Portland, OR is not a friendly bailiwick for conservative patriots, and the Mayor and Police Chief might well have reacted, and ordered the Police to act, in a different, more proactive manner toward the Proud Boys and Patriot Prayer members who did the same as the Tea Party people.


79 posted on 08/05/2018 7:53:30 PM PDT by VietVet
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To: Jack Black; Fred Nerks

So it’s particularly silly to claim they are fascists. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

No its not silly, historically speaking today’s liberal fascists have a direct evolutionary connection to fascist movements out of previous history.

That’s why you can take history courses which study fascism.

One of the leading professors who teach the history of Fascism is Professor Emeritus Gilbert Allardyce. I am one of his honor students, having studied with him.

https://www.amazon.com/Fascism-European-History-Gilbert-Allardyce/dp/0136764290/ref=sr_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1533524523&sr=1-3&keywords=Gilbert+Allardyce

Fascism has two essential ingredients: Nationalism and Socialism.

In the liberal fascist form currently accosting America, the nationalism is one involving an alleged superiority of racial and ethnic minorities over the majority white population.

The Socialist aspect is revealed by a governmental approach which caters to racial and ethnic minorities, applying to them a different set of laws and government resources dedicated only to them.

You can see this evolution in Obama and his movement, which is well described here:

Barrack Obama: The Quintessential Liberal Fascist

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html

Yes , my man, the Deep State and the Obama left are indeed liberal fascists of the first water. Dinesh D’Souza does a very accurate job in tracing the history in his book and movie “ Death of a Nation.”

https://www.dineshdsouza.com/


80 posted on 08/05/2018 8:06:20 PM PDT by Candor7 ((Obama Fascism)http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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