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HATING LINCOLN: The Now Revered President Was, Like Trump, Widely Hated In His Day
Frontpage Mag ^ | 07/20/2018 | Robert Spencer

Posted on 07/20/2018 8:55:10 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

President Trump has once again drawn the sneers and condescension of the Leftist establishment media with his claim that “I am the most popular person in the history of the Republican Party—92 percent. Beating Lincoln. I beat our Honest Abe.” Lincoln, sniffed Newsweek, “died a decade before the telephone, which is used for polling, was even invented, and about 80 years before job approval polls for presidents started.” CNN intoned magisterially, “That’s a hard claim to back up.”

But lost in the media contempt was the salient fact that Lincoln, as revered as he has been since his death, was a wildly unpopular President in his day, even within his own party. As Trump continues to receive relentlessly negative media coverage despite a booming economy and outstanding success against ISIS and with North Korea, this is good to keep in mind.

Just before Lincoln took office, the Salem Advocate from his home state of Illinois editorialized that “he is no more capable of becoming a statesman, nay, even a moderate one, than the braying ass can become a noble lion.” Lincoln’s “weak, wishy-washy, namby-pamby efforts, imbecile in matter, disgusting in manner, have made us the laughing stock of the whole world.” The Salem Advocate argued, just as Trump’s critics do today, that the President embarrassed Americans before the world: “the European powers will despise us because we have no better material out of which to make a President.”

The Salem Advocate wasn’t alone; the most respected pundits in the nation agreed that Lincoln was an embarrassment as President. Edward Everett, a renowned orator, former Senator and Secretary of State, and 1860 Vice Presidential candidate for the Constitutional Union Party, wrote that Lincoln was “evidently a person of very inferior cast of character, wholly unequal to the crisis.” Congressman Charles Francis Adams, the son of one President and grandson of another, sneered that Lincoln’s “speeches have fallen like a wet blanket here. They put to flight all notions of greatness.”

Critics decided what they saw as Lincoln’s despotic tendencies, often denouncing the very things for which Lincoln is revered as great today. When he issued the Emancipation Proclamation, the Chicago Times decried it as “a monstrous usurpation, a criminal wrong, and an act of national suicide.” The Crisis of Columbus Ohio sounded the alarm as hysterically as John Brennan crying treason after Trump’s press conference with Vladimir Putin: “We have no doubt that this Proclamation seals the fate of this Union as it was and the Constitution as it is.…The time is brief when we shall have a DICTATOR PROCLAIMED, for the Proclamation can never be carried out except under the iron rule of the worst kind of despotism.”

On the day the Emancipation Proclamation was issued, January 1, 1863, former Supreme Court Justice Benjamin R. Curtis said that Lincoln was “shattered, dazed and utterly foolish. It would not surprise me if he were to destroy himself.”

The Gettysburg Address didn’t go over any better. Edward Everett spoke for two hours just before Lincoln, and was showered with accolades. One man who was in the crowd, Benjamin French, recounted: “Mr. Everett was listened to with breathless silence by all that immense crowd, and he had his audience in tears many times during his masterly effort.” One of the reporters present, John Russell Young, praised Everett’s “antique courtly ways, fine keen eyes, the voice of singular charm.”

The Harrisburg Patriot & Union, by contrast, in its account of the commemoration at Gettysburg wrote: “We pass over the silly remarks of the President. For the credit of the nation we are willing that the veil of oblivion shall be dropped over them and that they shall be no more repeated or thought of.”

Everett himself, an experienced speaker who knew good oratory when he heard it, thought otherwise, writing to Lincoln: “I should be glad, if I could flatter myself that I came as near to the central idea of the occasion, in two hours, as you did in two minutes.” In response, Lincoln was grateful but self-deprecating: “I am pleased to know that, in your judgment, the little I did say was not entirely a failure.”

Lincoln did not even command much respect within his own party. The poet and lawyer Richard Henry Dana wrote to Charles Francis Adams in 1863 that “the most striking thing” about “the politics of Washington” was “the absence of personal loyalty to the President. It does not exist. He has no admirers, no enthusiastic supporters, none to bet on his head. If a Republican convention were to be held to-morrow, he would not get the vote of a State.”

In 1864, Lincoln was indeed renominated, but in a way that left Attorney General Edward Bates disgusted: “The Baltimore Convention,” he wrote, “has surprised and mortified me greatly. It did indeed nominate Mr. Lincoln, but…as if the object were to defeat their own nomination. They were all (nearly) instructed to vote for Mr. Lincoln, but many of them hated to do it.”

This is not to say that Trump is a new Lincoln, or that he will be as heralded after his administration as a distant memory the way Lincoln has been. But the lesson is clear: contemporary opinion doesn’t always line up with historical assessment. A notably unpopular President in his day, Abraham Lincoln, has become one of the iconic heroes of the Republic. It could happen again, and likewise the reverse could happen: the near-universal accolades and hosannas that today greet Barack Obama may one day, in the harsh light of history, appear to have been naïve, wrongheaded, and foolish in the extreme – at best.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: civilwar; jobapproval; lincoln; presidents; trump
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To: DoodleDawg
LOL! Have you now?

I am much reassured by the fact that they have so effectively kept it out of the history books that I had to find the information by looking at scraps of what they did tell us which didn't make any sense.

Having had to go to the trouble of following the trail of clues that led to ever more revelations that nobody mentions in the history books, I am confident that I have a more accurate understanding of the events than I did four years ago.

I didn't know Lincoln sent a war fleet to attack the Confederates. No one mentioned that. They simply say "The confederates fired first!"

Well yeah, if I knew a fleet of warships was going to fire cannons at me when they arrived, I would want to take out the nearby fort to avoid getting caught between two opposing groups of cannons.

And nobody mentioned this relevant little detail. Funny that.

81 posted on 07/20/2018 12:37:22 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DoodleDawg
I certainly wouldn't want to try and defend Davis either.

I can't recall any efforts on my part to do so. I have never focused on the activities of Davis. I have focused on the series of events which triggered the war.

I have focused on the money that is the root cause of the entire conflict.

82 posted on 07/20/2018 12:39:43 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: katana

I respect your decision to respect Lincoln.

Thank you for accepting my decision.


83 posted on 07/20/2018 12:41:49 PM PDT by T-Bone Texan (Get off my lawn and GTFO of my country.)
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To: shanover
Lincoln did everything he could to save the Union and try to restore America to its original intent.

America's original intent was to be Free and Independent of the United Kingdom. To run their own affairs.

It seems to me that Lincoln very much fought against the idea of people being independent and running their own affairs.

In his Gettysburg address, he talks about what "our fathers brought forth upon this continent", "four score and seven years ago."

Well I did the math. 87 years before his speech was 1776? What happened in 1776? A collection of slave owning states declared Independence from a Union and fought to be independent, with their armies being led by a slave owning General from Virginia.

Commemorating a battle to stop other states from being independent, he cites the event of American Independence.

Very ironic.

84 posted on 07/20/2018 12:48:18 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp
I have focused on the money that is the root cause of the entire conflict.

Yes you have. Most imaginatively, too.

85 posted on 07/20/2018 12:55:15 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: DiogenesLamp
I have probably written far more about blaming big government on Wilson, Roosevelt, LBJ, Carter, Clinton and Obama than I have ever written about Lincoln

LOL! Have you now?

86 posted on 07/20/2018 12:56:06 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: T-Bone Texan

If I’d been raised in the South and had ancestors who fought for the Confederacy I might just share your opinion. But my great grandfather was from SE Kentucky, hard scrabble mountain Union territory in a slave holding border State where it truly was brother versus brother. The western end was Blue Grass horse country plantation Democrat and pro-Confederacy, the east was small holding Appalachia Republican. Those family traditions are mighty hard to shake, both ways.


87 posted on 07/20/2018 12:56:10 PM PDT by katana
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To: DiogenesLamp
I am much reassured by the fact that they have so effectively kept it out of the history books that I had to find the information by looking at scraps of what they did tell us which didn't make any sense.

Ah yes. The grand conspiracy on the part of biographers and historians everywhere.

88 posted on 07/20/2018 12:57:01 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: DiogenesLamp
Well I did the math. 87 years before his speech was 1776? What happened in 1776? A collection of slave owning states declared Independence from a Union and fought to be independent, with their armies being led by a slave owning General from Virginia.

And what happened in 1861? A collection of slave owning states declared Independence from a Union and fought to be independent, with their armies being led by a slave owning General from Virginia. Only that time they lost.

89 posted on 07/20/2018 12:58:38 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: DoodleDawg
It doesn't take much imagination to look at the fact that New York was bringing in 200 Million in European trade because of Southern exports.

The math is actually pretty dull and unimaginative. What is imaginative is thinking the war wasn't about money, when the facts clearly demonstrate it was.

90 posted on 07/20/2018 12:59:23 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DoodleDawg

Sure have. You just haven’t been around when I have done so.


91 posted on 07/20/2018 1:00:25 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: SeekAndFind

The now revered president Abe Lincoln is like Trump? Be careful here, the left will say Trump wants civil war and the right will say the left wants to shoot him!


92 posted on 07/20/2018 1:04:08 PM PDT by Rock N Jones (1935)
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To: DiogenesLamp
It doesn't take much imagination to look at the fact that New York was bringing in 200 Million in European trade because of Southern exports.

Don't sell yourself short. It takes a tremendous amount of imagination to arrive at many of the conclusions you arrive at.

93 posted on 07/20/2018 1:07:50 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: DoodleDawg
No conspiracy, just Liberal confirmation bias and "group think."

You deify someone on the coinage, and of course people don't want to believe he was a bad guy. Lincoln has become a god.


94 posted on 07/20/2018 1:09:37 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DoodleDawg
And what happened in 1861?

By that time, people had forgotten, or were too fearful of their ruler to speak the truth, that the founders established the right to independence as the new paradigm.

In 1776, it was accepted that states had a right to be independent. In 1787, people still remembered that states had a right to be independent. By 1861, people wanted to pretend that the very right cited in our own declaration of Independence, didn't exist.

Forgotten and misled.

95 posted on 07/20/2018 1:12:45 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DoodleDawg
Don't sell yourself short. It takes a tremendous amount of imagination to arrive at many of the conclusions you arrive at.

No, just objectivity. What takes imagination is believing in the emperor's new clothes when they clearly don't exist.

What takes imagination are the excuses to explain the various paradoxes you are required to believe to accept the official narrative of what happened.

96 posted on 07/20/2018 1:15:06 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: T-Bone Texan

a-men bro.


97 posted on 07/20/2018 1:18:07 PM PDT by old gringo (a wise monkey never monkeys with another monkeys monkey.)
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To: DiogenesLamp

Oh Christ it’s you. You’re like a case of the hives.


98 posted on 07/20/2018 1:18:12 PM PDT by jmacusa (Made it Ma, top of the world!'')
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To: jmacusa

I am awestruck by the force of intellect contained in your rebuttal.


99 posted on 07/20/2018 1:20:54 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: katana

My main beef is his acceptance/support of massive noncombatant causalties, mostly Southern, which in retrospect was a dishonorable war crime.


100 posted on 07/20/2018 1:25:36 PM PDT by T-Bone Texan (Get off my lawn and GTFO of my country.)
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