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Why parents struggle with Common Core math: “The diagrams are absolutely insane.”
San Jose Mercury News ^ | June 17, 2018 | Karen D'Souza

Posted on 06/17/2018 6:25:25 PM PDT by BobL

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Eight years after California adopted new standards designed to boost students’ critical thinking and analytical skills, it’s become clear that a critical group was left behind in the push to implement Common Core: parents.

The good old days of memorizing math formulas or multiplication tables are gone. Instead, Common Core math requires students to show how they reason their way to the right answer. As a result, many parents say homework is far more complicated than it used to be. For example, the right answer to 3×5 isn’t just 15 anymore, as one popular social media post noted. It’s 3+3+3+3+3. And it’s 5+5+5. The new methods leave many parents baffled.

“I despise common core math,” says Katie O’Donnell, a pediatric respiratory therapist who lives in San Jose and often uses math at work. Though she loves volunteering in her son Nima’s class, she admits she sometimes ducks out early because she’s embarrassed that she has no explanations for students who ask for help.

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To: BobL
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21 posted on 06/17/2018 6:44:28 PM PDT by SkyDancer ( ~ Just Consider Me A Random Fact Generator ~ Eat Sleep Fly Repeat ~)
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To: BobL

Truthfully, separatism is probably the only answer. Think Amish, or traditional Orthodox Jews. The dominant culture can never be OUR culture. The alternative is restoring the culture by force. Not many takers for that.


22 posted on 06/17/2018 6:45:19 PM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: BobL

But then, since all work is to be done in groups, if the group answer is 17 then it is considered a correct answer. Just hope they don’t grow up to be surgeons, pilots, etc.


23 posted on 06/17/2018 6:46:49 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (Start using cash and checks or the elite class and bankers will make "cashless" the norm.)
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To: aquila48

“Couldn’t agree more. I have two engineering degrees and when I was helping my granddaughter I couldn’t figure out what they were asking...The language is Orwellian.”

But they’re they ‘experts’, so who are we to ‘second guess’?

Thankfully, in my case, I was exposed to Thomas Sowell during college, so I knew EXACTLY what Big Education had in store for my kids, before I was even married.

Obviously, they were NEVER exposed to any of this crap, and obviously they’re doing great ‘competing’ against the kids who were forced through this nightmare.


24 posted on 06/17/2018 6:50:37 PM PDT by BobL (I drive a pick up truck because it makes me feel like a man)
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To: BobL

Teaching children well does not gain you any money.

Coming up with a whole new method for teaching a subject, even though the old method did very well?

Accolades, government grants, and the esteem of your peers!


25 posted on 06/17/2018 6:51:19 PM PDT by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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To: BobL
As a parent of kids who were subject to Common Core math, I can tell you first hand: It made no sense, was confusing in the extreme and basically sucked when my kids did their homework.

I'm getting the impression 'Common Core' is some kind of leftist horseshit, promulgated by compliant teachers.
26 posted on 06/17/2018 6:51:39 PM PDT by farming pharmer
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To: BobL

Exactly, BobL. I tutor 1:1 and I always tell my parents, ‘Make sure your kids learn to do math the way you do it.” I ask the students, ‘Does your teacher explain this well?” “No, they are looking at the Teachers’ Manual half the time.” And it is designed to separate kids/ parents, I do agree.


27 posted on 06/17/2018 6:53:06 PM PDT by bboop (does not suffer fools gladly)
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To: colorado tanker

“Having some spunk which I like to think she got from the old man, she confronted her teacher and asked if this was true. When he sheepishly admitted it was, she said he had lied to her!”

Gutsy move! Sadly we can’t win that way, though.


28 posted on 06/17/2018 6:53:11 PM PDT by BobL (I drive a pick up truck because it makes me feel like a man)
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To: BobL
This is all obviously invented by people who don't have any understand about how math is actually used.

From the shop keeper to the carpenter to the PhD Physicist or Aerospace engineer there are exactly two problems:

1. How to translate a real world problem into mathematical expressions.

2. How to go through the process of solving those expressions, be it integrating something or adding a column of numbers. No one wants to get hung up on thinking about thinking. They just want an answer. Therefore having rote procedures [e.g. learning your gozintas] is just fine.

There is another realm - that of the abstract mathematician trying to develop new mathematical concepts. You are born with this facility and you know it by age 7 or something and unless you are a Riemann or a Gauss or a Newton or a Leibniz, forget it. Those folks weren't taught mathematics. They invented it out of their heads.

29 posted on 06/17/2018 6:54:53 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: BobL

I guarantee you, at the elite prep schools, they teach kids real math. Associative, Commutative, distributive, etc. This is not an accidental mistake.


30 posted on 06/17/2018 6:54:59 PM PDT by Vic S
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To: aquila48

It is Orwellian, exactly. The parents near where I tutor are LIVID, marched on the school and demanded better math. I believe a lot of the math teachers now ‘use’ the texts (ie, ‘do NOT use’) and ‘supplement’ with their own worksheets.


31 posted on 06/17/2018 6:55:22 PM PDT by bboop (does not suffer fools gladly)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

“Teacher admits he helped write Common Core to end white privilege.”

EXACTLY I didn’t want too far in that direction, but that does underlie everything.

To put it another way, the people who run our schools HATE OUR GUTS for being who we are...

...do we REALLY think those same people will do what’s needed to help our kids excel in their schools? Are we really THAT DUMB to believe it?


32 posted on 06/17/2018 6:57:16 PM PDT by BobL (I drive a pick up truck because it makes me feel like a man)
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To: aquila48
The purpose of Common Core Math is to level the playing field so that nobody can be helped in any way by Parental Privilege. This way, the children of highly involved and competent parents will have no advantage over the the children of uninvolved, uneducated, or unintelligent parents.

This eliminates all inherited sociological advantage and makes the kids equal at the bottom stratum.

It starts all the kids in the State of California at the level of a poorly nurtured child of uneducated parents in Bakersfield, and makes sure that none of them can pull ahead of their peers.

Don't you get it? This is Social Justice.

33 posted on 06/17/2018 6:57:28 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid." - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: BobL

The goal of math is to get the right answer as efficiently as possible. Common Core math makes that impossible.

I know kids that still enjoy math, but only because they were taught to get the right answer by their parents and only do it the Common Core way on the test to pass.


34 posted on 06/17/2018 6:58:56 PM PDT by Some Fat Guy in L.A. (Still bitterly clinging to rational thought despite it's unfashionability)
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To: BobL; E. Pluribus Unum
OMG! That's exactly what I was intuiting at #33
35 posted on 06/17/2018 7:01:17 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid." - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: ExTexasRedhead

The goal is to make logical boys go crazy.


36 posted on 06/17/2018 7:01:57 PM PDT by donna (California Sanctuary State is the latest method for trapping and trading slaves.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Agree completely on all fronts!

Bravo, post of the day!


37 posted on 06/17/2018 7:03:32 PM PDT by 100American (Knowledge is knowing how, Wisdom is knowing when)
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To: BobL

I doubt IRS auditors, bank managers, bookies and others use common core.


38 posted on 06/17/2018 7:04:48 PM PDT by umgud
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To: BobLI

I invented my own ways of doing arithmetic in as a kid. In their example, I knew that 293 was seven less than 300, so I subtracted 300 from 263 then added back seven. I would get answers faster than kids doing it the “right” way in columns, but got in trouble because I couldn’t “show my work”. I never did “get” algebra though, but the truth is 99% of folks never need more than simple arithmetic in real life.

Interestingly decades later my son got in trouble because he scored the highest they had seen on his AP math final, but had no work to show. They accused him of somehow getting a copy and cheating, though he told them he did it in his head. They agreed to let him take another test and he scored even higher, getting profuse apologies and a science scholarship.


39 posted on 06/17/2018 7:04:54 PM PDT by Hugin (Conservatism without Nationalism is a fraud.)
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To: Vic S

“This is not an accidental mistake.”

Obviously, but what is disappointing is the number of people, even here, who STILL give these animals the benefit of the doubt.

Until we can get past thinking: “they’re so misguided, if only they would try to understand what they’re doing, then all would be well” and realize, instead, that this is all INTENTIONAL, by design.

...until we can all synch up and fight them, as we fought Hillary, for example, we’re simply ON OUR OWN with our kids, as we’ll stay divided here (on education), and Government Schools will continue as they are, damaging millions of kids every year.


40 posted on 06/17/2018 7:04:54 PM PDT by BobL (I drive a pick up truck because it makes me feel like a man)
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