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Two Classes, Divided by ‘I Do’
New York Times ^ | July 14, 2012 | JASON DePARLE

Posted on 06/07/2018 2:45:47 PM PDT by grundle

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To: CrimsonTidegirl
First of all, I’m not a misandrist. Far from it. I strongly support men’s rights. But I don’t support a man’s “right” to abuse women through “polygamy”. And that is exactly what polygamy is: abuse.

Then why start your missive with a redefinition of "abuse" pulled straight out of your poop chute? Your denial of misandry is preposterous given the rest of your post. The assertion is as laughable as "I'm not a perfectionist, I just want it done right!"

There are two main advantages of polygamy for men: More than one woman to have sex with and the fact that the man is economically supported by the “wives”. He can sit on his ass all day while his wives go to work and do all the housework and yardwork. The so-called “husband” is responsible for absolutely nothing.

Talk about delusional! Even lazy men have kept their wives and children fed, housed, and clothed all through human history. Doubtless, you've never read anything about the role of women in the family that wasn't written before 1960, and also written by a woman.

I dare you to cite any advantages of polygamy for women. The women are responsible for financially supporting the husband, taking care of the home and kids and sexually satisfying the “husband”. Sign me up! (Sarcasm)

I dare YOU to cite any society where women were "responsible for financially supporting the husband, taking care of the home and kids and sexually satisfying the “husband.”' You've got a fantasy narrative stuck in your head that is a statistical zero.

As for the advantage of polygamy for women...how about avoiding everything for which they bitch about being a single mother!

So called “Christian” polygamy is even worse than muslim polygamy. At least, in islamic polygamy, each wife gets their own home and never has to see the other women.

Source, please.

OTOH, in “Christian” polygamy, the husband selfishly and cruelly expects the wives to live in the same home.

Source, please.

Do you actually believe that the women wouldn’t HATE each others guts? Do you believe that the wives wouldn’t get insanely, violently jealous as they watch their husband go to bed with another woman?

When the alternative is single motherhood? Only if she's so radically histrionic and self-absorbed she can studiously ignore the example of thousands of years of human history.

I got news for you lady, there's a reason muslim conquerers have always killed the men, but taken the women as wives...because they could.(i.e. women will learn to live with it.)

Newsflash: Women get very jealous and only a desperate woman with no self esteem would tolerate her husband sleeping with another woman, especially under her own roof. That is cruelty beyond measure.

More like melodrama beyond measure, but it's pretty obvious that's where you live. You keep forgetting historical precedent.

Since you’re such a proponent for polygamy, what are your views on polyandry? If men can have harems, so can women. Correct? What’s the difference?

"Proponent?" What, because I wondered about it as an alternative to raising kids alone?

As for polyandry, that would kind of defeat the purpose, wouldn't it? If our single mom could get a husband all to herself, she wouldn't have any reason to consider polygamy, would she?

Your chauvinism and misogyny is showing. Only a devoted misogynist would advocate for polygamy.

Like many American women, you don't seem to understand you don't get to define reality. Only a committed, marxist, atheist could deny the validity of thousands of years of human history...See, I can be a histrionic ass, too!

In closing, how about telling us what "men's rights" you support?

61 posted on 06/10/2018 5:47:27 PM PDT by papertyger (did IQs just drop sharply while i was away....)
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“Then why start your missive with a redefinition of “abuse” pulled straight out of your poop chute?”

“Poop chute.” How erudite, educated and mature you are!

You either have serious issues, have reading comprehension problems or both. I vote for both.

You accuse me of being a misandrist because I don’t believe in men having the right to own a sexual harem without women having the right to own a male harem. Whatever floats your boat, snowflake.

In most examples of polygamy that I have seen, the wives work and the husband doesn’t. The wives are responsible for everything, including child care. In the other examples, no one works and they live off the government. See: The FLDS.

In polygamy, not only do the wives not have a real, full-time husband, the children don’t have a true father. He’s just a sperm donor.

You keep crying about “Human History”, “Human History”. Slavery was a part of human history. Puritans accusing women they disliked of being “witches” and burning them at the stake was a part of human history. I guess since those examples were part of human history that we should go back to those practices too, correct?

Just because some practices are part of history, doesn’t mean that we should repeat those mistakes.

Once again, you failed to cite any advantages for women in polygamy. You keep whining about single mothers. Have you ever heard of a JOB? Women can avoid poverty by being educated and having a good, steady job. You behave as if we are in the misogynist old testament days where women aren’t allowed to work.

You promote polygamy as a solution for single mothers. Guess what? Single fathers exist. If being a single mother means poverty then it stands to reason that being a single father also means poverty, correct?

Per your logic, I propose that a good solution for the protection of single fathers is polyandry. A struggling single father can marry a wealthy, established woman who can afford to support more than one husband. Perfect solution.

My point? Single mother=single father. In both instances, there is only one breadwinner. So what’s the difference between the two?

My older sister and I were raised by a single mother after the death of our father when I was eight. We weren’t rich but neither were we in poverty. Materially, we never went without. Are you saying that my mother should have considered polygamy?

Out of morbid curiosity, I have visited so-called “Christian” polygamy websites. They parrot this bullcrap about how “close” polygamous families are and how wonderful it is to have EVERYONE under one roof. That is a joke.

For some reason, polygamy advocates refuse to believe that women experience extreme jealousy over sharing their man. Can you blame them? I repeat, it is extremely cruel for a woman to watch her husband go to bed with another woman. It would be natural for the wives to have a violent, vicious hatred for one another and for the other woman’s children. It would be a constant competition for the husband’s attention and favor. Humiliating.

For example, if one of the wives became ill, she would have no husband to take care of her. She would be expected to take care of herself. OTOH, when the husband became ill, he would expect all of his wives to take care of him. How selfish.

IMO, polygamy sounds like an incredibly lonely, miserable existence. All to satisfy the sexual selfishness of a promiscuous male.

You spout some garbage about women’s lives before 1960. I wasn’t born then but I know many women who were. Every one of those women worked outside the home. Every one. I have never met an older woman who was just a housewife. Those women had to work because the husband didn’t earn enough to support the family. I think you have watched too many “Leave it to Beaver” TV shows.

BTW, here is a link which states that polygamous muslim men must provide a separate home for each of his wives:

https://www.quora.com/Can-Muslims-who-practice-polygamy-have-sexual-intercourse-with-their-wives-at-the-same-time

Why are you so triggered that I, and many women, are repulsed by the idea of polygamy? Since you support polygamy, why are you so repulsed by the idea of polyandry? Wouldn’t polyandry be a solution for men who can’t financially support themselves?

Let’s see: I support equal rights in child custody cases (no automatic custody for the mother), I support the abolition of alimony, I support child support laws that are fair and equal, I support fair and equal divorce laws (no special treatment for women), I oppose the hysterical, over the top sexual harassment laws and practices in the workplace.

Yes, I sound like a real misandrist, don’t I? (Heavy sarcasm)

You, on the other hand, still sound extremely misogynistic.Sadly, since you are such a fan of the barbaric old testament laws, you probably think that it’s not such a bad idea for a woman to marry her rapist. I hope I’m wrong.

I am not advocating single motherhood. Nor single fatherhood. Common sense says that the best home for children is with stable, married parents. But sometimes things happen, such as the death of a parent, which happened in my family. Life is very unfair.


62 posted on 06/11/2018 2:02:41 AM PDT by CrimsonTidegirl (Free Tommy Robinson!)
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To: CrimsonTidegirl

You see this it the problem about arguing with a histrionic woman; you can’t tell the difference between what I wrote, asked, implied, and what you WISH I’d communicated so you can drop me into your intellectually indolent, chauvinistic, box-o-cliches.

My advice to you is to learn the difference between cogent thought, and hysterical postulation.

Yes, you are a misandrist. Your explicit presumptions prove it beyond any shadow of doubt.


63 posted on 06/11/2018 1:21:34 PM PDT by papertyger (did IQs just drop sharply while i was away....)
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