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Trump Moves to Ease the Firing of Federal Workers
NY Times ^ | 05/25/2018 | Noam Scheiber

Posted on 05/25/2018 2:37:19 PM PDT by Cyclops08

President Trump on Friday signed a series of executive orders making it easier to fire federal government workers and rolling back the prerogatives of unions that represent them.

Andrew Bremberg, the head of the White House Domestic Policy Council, said the president was “fulfilling his promise to promote more efficient government by reforming our Civil Service rules.”

But the push also reflects conservatives’ long-running suspicion of the federal bureaucracy, one that the president’s advisers have been outspoken in channeling. Shortly after Mr. Trump took office, Stephen K. Bannon, then his chief strategist, called for “the deconstruction of the administrative state.”

Unions representing government workers were quick to denounce the actions, calling them an “assault on democracy,” in the words of the American Federation of Government Employees, the largest federal employee union, which represents 700,000 workers.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: afge; biglabor; burn; drain; draintheswamp; federalgovernment; maga; swamp; unemployment; unions; winning; yourefired
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To: cotton

Aside from your service in the military, every one of those should have been done, in total, at the state local or county level.


41 posted on 05/25/2018 6:14:37 PM PDT by crz
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To: cotton

You deserve the public’s undying gratitude. The problem is all those slackers who make the good guys look bad. And they are protected by the civil service union. The best thing Trump could do for the country would be to decertify the federal employee union.


42 posted on 05/25/2018 6:14:56 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Journalism is about covering important stories. With a pillow, until they stop moving.)
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To: Cyclops08

Whoa.... We’ve only dreamed of this!

Fantastic!


43 posted on 05/25/2018 10:37:21 PM PDT by Windflier (Pitchforks and torches ripen on the vine. Left too long, they become black rifles.)
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To: upchuck

being represented by a union means they are democratically controlled and dependent upon the rats


44 posted on 05/26/2018 3:28:27 AM PDT by ronnie raygun
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To: Missouri gal
1) Your security clearance ends the day your job ends.

I've been a Security Manager - when one leaves the job, the system gets updated to indicate zero access even though the clearance stays "active". Since the system is the only approved method for checking/verifying a clearance and access, (one doesn't carry a card saying, "I have a triple dippy clearance and can see anything I want") so it is as secure as the people who run it - when the people aren't secure, anyone can receive leaked secrets as we've seen with Comey and a lot of others...Leaky Leahy comes to mind...

45 posted on 05/26/2018 3:43:53 AM PDT by trebb (I stopped picking on the mentally ill hypocrite<i> Yet anoths who pose as conservatives...mostly ;-})
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To: Zhang Fei
The best thing Trump could do for the country would be to decertify the federal employee union.

The best argument for exactly that was created by FDR himself.

Why it has been ignored all these years, I will never know...

President Franklin D. Roosevelt (FDR), a four-term progressive Democrat of the 1930s and 1940s, actually warned about that very danger in a letter he wrote in 1937 to Luther C. Steward, President of the National Federation of Federal Employees:

“The desire of Government employees for fair and adequate pay, reasonable hours of work, safe and suitable working conditions, development of opportunities for advancement, facilities for fair and impartial consideration and review of grievances, and other objectives of a proper employee relations policy, is basically no different from that of employees in private industry. Organization on their part to present their views on such matters is both natural and logical, but meticulous attention should be paid to the special relationships and obligations of public servants to the public itself and to the Government.

"All Government employees should realize that the process of collective bargaining, as usually understood, cannot be transplanted into the public service. It has its distinct and insurmountable limitations when applied to public personnel management. The very nature and purposes of Government make it impossible for administrative officials to represent fully or to bind the employer in mutual discussions with Government employee organizations. The employer is the whole people, who speak by means of laws enacted by their representatives in Congress. Accordingly, administrative officials and employees alike are governed and guided, and in many instances restricted, by laws which establish policies, procedures, or rules in personnel matters."

Complete FDR Letter

46 posted on 05/26/2018 8:42:59 AM PDT by publius911
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To: publius911

Thank you for the unexpected FDR reference.


47 posted on 05/26/2018 8:52:10 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (Journalism is about covering important stories. With a pillow, until they stop moving.)
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To: snoringbear

That would be flat awesome. It is amazing to think it would be that easy. Some jackwipe judge would say Trump lacks authority or that the EO has become “precedent” or some such unconstitutional nonsense. You would think Trump does have the authority to rescind Kennedy’s EO.


48 posted on 05/26/2018 9:23:45 AM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (End the Mueller Gestapo now. Free the Donald.)
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To: Cyclops08

My two biggest wishes to be addressed are ending the illegal immigration nonsense, and ending the permanent government employee system. The later is a main source of corruption and malaise.


49 posted on 05/26/2018 10:27:16 AM PDT by catbertz
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

Unions are calling it a “assault on democracy,” that’s rich.
Firing the people who refuse to implement the will of the people is an assault on democracy.

Try a defense of democracy.


50 posted on 05/26/2018 10:49:11 AM PDT by Monorprise
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To: madprof98

They still need to do a lot more to make Federal employees at will employees. They also need to dramatically downsize the government so most of them can be practically fired and replaced with each administration.

State governments need to do the same, but they are at least forced to more often on the account of people voting with their feet.

which is why State government still provide most all the key services but only represent a minority of the costs.


51 posted on 05/26/2018 10:51:31 AM PDT by Monorprise
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To: hal ogen

If you can’t easly be fired, you tend to do the least possable.

Most of these so called government functions would be far more effiecently preformed by the private sector.

Some like BLM should be sold off or given the states. All the States in which BLM exist already have their own Land offices which already manage(sell and lease) large amounts of land to help finance education.
That’s about $800 a kid year per in New Mexico with only a tiny fraction of the Government owned land in the state being leased.

If the Federal government Abolished BLM and transferred the land to the states in which it exist not only would it lose the cost of managing said land, the people would be more free(as Leftis EPA could not uses the land to blackmail neighbors) and the land would be better managed by locals.

Best of all Trump can do much of this thou a series of unequal land exchanges.


52 posted on 05/26/2018 11:12:44 AM PDT by Monorprise
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To: Cyclops08
Unions...denounce the actions, calling them an “assault on democracy,”

No, it's a proper assault on theiving union-thug bureaucRATs. They are the ultimate "entitlement" parasites in the land.

53 posted on 05/26/2018 11:20:49 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (The Obama is about to hit the fan.)
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To: TheNext

Dear the next. What amount of retirement money do you consider lavish? I get $1600 a month, which I consider very generous. Perhaps it is lavish. The first $400 goes to medical insurance. I get to spend the rest any way I want, stuff like food clothing, shelter and tax and of course co-pays and deductibles for that health insurance. Dentist, new furnace, etc. I actually have a very comfortable life as my house and car are paid for except of course for the above listed tax, ever increasing tax. I get a lot more than many of my former colleague worker. My former office assistant gets $900 a month. She worked the same state job from age 18 to retirement at 65. I do do think she thinks she lives in luxury. Perhaps it is different in your state. I agree that some do nothing and draw enormous incomes. One of our local city superintendent of schools makes aver a million a year and has benefits in addition. That city is notorious for poor schools.


54 posted on 05/26/2018 3:41:22 PM PDT by cotton (one way, one truth, the life.)
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To: crz

CRZ. Some were county, with some federal grant. Some were state with some federal money. Except for the army all were locally administered but had to meet federal/state requirements. The young volunteers in action I thought should have been paid for with donations, but the red Cross got a grant from the federal action agency along with the Peace Corp and community action programs like my next job for $600.00 a month. I had there the help of 2 full time volunteers and a bunch of part time or occasional volunteers. Private businesses gave us in kind donations, like food, clothing,toilet paper and school supplies. Indeed, the local community made it work, but I was still a government employee with 4 dependents.I Learned a lot on that job.

Some times government squanders our tax dollars, sometimes it asks a lot of it’s employees. Some are to be commended, some probably need to fired, if not shot. The higher in the hieroricy the less work and the more pay. I know, the road crews have 5 workers, one to dig the hole and four to watch and critique the work. In general I try not to paint a diverse group with an overly broad brush. Sometimes you can get something cheap and sometimes you get what you pay for and sometimes you get ripped off big time.


55 posted on 05/26/2018 4:12:04 PM PDT by cotton (one way, one truth, the life.)
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To: Cyclops08

Fed Unions are nothing more than another layer of “management” that demands their privileges and perks that regular employees are denied.

While Management will rejoice this move, it’s not likely to hurt good employees that aren’t trying to act like they are not expected to perform.

Kudos to TRUMP!


56 posted on 05/27/2018 9:16:14 AM PDT by Gasshog ( Fight climate change - Try beating the air and scream at the sky)
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To: Cyclops08

BTTT!

Go President Trump!!!


57 posted on 05/28/2018 8:27:59 AM PDT by Enlightened1
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