Posted on 05/08/2018 6:46:25 PM PDT by chajin
I like Kelsey Grammer, but it still hacks me off to see somebody in that uniform who didn’t earn it.
That is a very informative response and I am certainly not in a position to question longstanding naval practices. But... personally, if I were the captain of a ship like this, I would want to spend a lot of time on the bridge if doing nothing else other than observing, especially at night or in crowded waters. And I would want my XO and senior NCO to do the same. There is no way in the world I would trust an O-2 without spending a lot of time eyeballing exactly what he / she was up to. But maybe that is just me, or maybe that is exactly what happened. IDK.
Although maybe she should be, not promoted, but allowed to remain on duty. Even Halsey grounded a ship. If she learned, and God knows, this is a horrible way to learn, maybe she could help make things better. She could be a leader someday. A crazy opinion...I know. She now understands the whole picture, why the bullshit is important. It’s not just a “guy” thing, and women are no more supermen than any guy. Responsibility is a heavy burden, and you better damned well take it seriously. Can she relay that to a crew now, better than most? Especially, other women?
THERE’S NO CRYING IN THE NAVY!!!
From what I read of the official report (the one that DIDN’T identify the OOD, a semi-trained monkey wouldn’t have made as many mistakes as she did. It’s difficult to figure out one thing she did correctly. And unlike the article, I don’t give her credit for “taking responsibility.” That comes with the territory, and it’s not negotiable.
Good info, thx! Why is the CO only a LCDR?
And maybe the way the Navy has always done things requires another look in this age of diversity. That young lady looks incapable of running a sewing circle let alone a warship.
“This article is very confusing as it describes a court martial and also calls it non judicial punishment”
You misread it.
I’m not an officer so I know they don’t enlist like I did. I think they enter into more of a contract where their commission is granted by the government.
“Lt. j.g. Sarah Coppock cried during her court-martial”
It’s ok, somewhere Bull Halsey and Chester Nimitz are weeping also. Who the hell puts a little girl in charge of a warship?
Ivan did report an underwater contact and said he couldn’t reestablish contact. The pentagon caught this info during the russian’s radio contact with their people. They knew we were the only ones near that area. They spent the next 9 weeks wondering if they had lost a boat. We surfaced to pick up riders. Then they knew we were there. It must have pissed them off. It was my 1st patrol. Try getting out of sub duty when you’re a nuke. My next CO was a new Jack. I had 3 CO’s named Jack. The last one made Admial. He died one morning jogging around the base in New London.
Guilty
No, UCMJ has two parts- one administrative/non-judicial, the other punitive/judicial.
Article 15 deals with administrative sanctions that are not criminal proceedings, so yes, a military or naval person may be punished under both and not be in double jeopardy.
Of course, NJP does not result in a criminal record nor is more than minimal confinement allowed, I think a GO/FO can put someone in the brig or confinement center for a max of 30 days, line/field grade officers in command for two weeks and, at least in the Army, a company grade commander cannot confine at all; if I am correct, the Navy does not put 03 and below in any commanding officer positions generallly, not sure about the same in the USMC.
While a courts-martial results in a criminal record, Article 15/Mast proceedings do not..
“I’ve heard it said that when an officer receives a letter of reprimand his/her military career is over.”
Yes that is true.
My former CO never made it beyond Captain because of his LoR.
“Citing lengthy reports completed since the collisions, Mooney painted a picture of crew that was overtasked and exhausted.”
Welcome to sea duty.
“The Fitzgerald was one of several ships in the Japan-based 7th Fleet that was undermanned and missing important experienced crewmembers.”
Welcome to 7th Fleet.
“Critical training and qualifications were pushed off because of operational tasking.”
Welcome to Desron 15.
One destroyer I was on got underway at 0001, January 1st. (Not revealing the year, but it was more than 30 years ago.)
The Navy used to know how to deal with all that and still not run into stuff. Now all they know how to do is pretend pervs are normal, women are men, and trannies are...whatever they’re pretending to be.
Hmmmn.
If that “near-miss” with a Soviet attack boat caused any actual screw damage, I’d say it was more of a “real hit” than a “near miss.”
Still, I’d not break radio silence in a patrol area, but inform the boss once the boomer was out of the box. After all, the Soviet knew he hit “something hard” underwater at that location, right?
Once an officer is granted a commission it is for life unless that officer resigns the commission or it is taken from them.
Now they have service obligation (normally 8 years) which can be active, reserve or inactive. After that time they can resign the commission. However, many officers were surprised to be called up after the 8 years based on still having that commission.
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She looks spooky!
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How many more just like her are on bridges daily?
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I take it they had a noisy prop and had it replaced
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