(Pro-2A Student) Kyle Kashuv Interrogated By Broward County Deputies After Range Trip

The Truth About Guns ^ | 04/23/18 | Dan Zimmerman

[NorthMountain]

Don't Talk to the Police

[Haiku Guy]

Kyle made a mistake putting all of this online.

I do not understand why people do this.

Things you never talk about: your money, your health, your romantic entanglements, and your guns.

It ain’t nobody’s business. But if you talk about it, other people will make it their business.

[Anti-Bubba182]

Thanks!

[zeugma]

They interrogate this innocent kid but they dont ask to see the phone records of David Hogg because if they did they would find out he had contact with Nikolas Cruz before the shooting..

I've been thinking the same thing about Hogg's phone records (and location data).

[offduty]

Absolutely. And in all likelihood, the majority of the rank and file of the SO are just as disgusted. Obviously, if they had a “no confidence” vote against the sheriff, the majority don’t like the way the department is being run.

Since the Sheriff is an elected position, the rank and file are subject to political whims every couple of years. It tends to suppress any individual from speaking out and the union becomes the officers voice. If the union is in lock-step with the sheriff, there is no voice for the officer.

[shotgun]

It’s not personal Sonny, just business..

[Ken H]

“If the union is in lock-step with the sheriff, there is no voice for the officer.”

Sure there is - the rank and file officer himself. After all, it was the rank and file who carried out this gestapo tactic.

Union or not, the silence of the rank and file makes them guilty.

[familyop]

"I believe the rank and file have a moral obligation to speak out about this incident. If they remain silent, then they become their accomplices. Do you agree with that?"

Most of them are not trained to help with federal investigations under federal laws against their own coworkers or administrators. Do you see? They wouldn't stand a chance.

Most members of most police departments are cleaner, more fair and trustworthy by far than the average person in the general population. That's how they're chosen for most departments. But without the tools, they can't do much about corruption but wait for a rare opportunity to stick their necks out.

So, an active and healthy Public Integrity Section is needed. And training is needed in local academies to show local police how to work with federal lawyers.

We can do it by having many in the general population trained and armed, too, or both. But the outcomes will be about the same with many tragedies along the way. Most people like peace and quiet.

Another thing we can do, by the way, is to vote in every election and master the art of incrementalism. The left has been kicking us with incrementalism for a long time. Yes..."the least of two evils." The worst of two socialists will also more often be the more corrupt of the two. To relate it to sports and military pursuits, we need both a good offense and a good defense. Those of you who want to stubbornly avoid your political duties, at least consider how many freedoms you want to lose.

[familyop]

"Sure there is - the rank and file officer himself. After all, it was the rank and file who carried out this gestapo tactic."

Administrators decide who will be hired and retained. Anyone who opposes them will be fired or start getting threatening messages or worse. There's no quick fix for a community with the most influential constituents wanting such a regime.

Don't live there. Don't spend money there. Don't go on vacation there. Tell others about it. Build up your personal security (cameras, communications, retainers, etc.). That's all that I've come up with.

Even in Florida, with more than its share of foreign, avaricious culture streaming down from the northeast over the years, there are much better communities to live in.

[familyop]

"Sure there is - the rank and file officer himself."

In some of the worst jurisdictions, such an officer would be called the "Lone Ranger" and be terminated one way or another. I've spoken against public employee unions for a long time, but offduty had a good point there about the police union that I hadn't considered.

Still, though, a state or federal job would be better than a municipal or county for any clean, young, healthy folks wanting to get into police work.

[familyop]

Well said in comment #121. It sometimes only takes one criminal in an organization to defeat the good efforts of many great people. Good screening practices can't always keep them out. That's why it's very important to listen to information from residents in the community and keep some of them in mind...or even in notes stored in a secure place.

[familyop]

"How about a zero tolerance approach to police misconduct. Start enforcing federal law...18 U.S. Code § 242 - Deprivation of rights under color of law"

The way to do that is to contact the Public Integrity Section (PIN) in the Department of Justice after first contacting the state attorney general's office and FBI office. A stronger Public Integrity Section can be attained by demanding it from legislators, by the way. It's the job of the PIN, but FBI agents carry out the work an affected locale. So FBI candidates also need to be trained more to do such investigations and follow through on those assignments.

One needed method would be for agents to establish more ongoing, casual, two-way communications with witnesses (assets) local to the corruption. That would help to solve the problem of lack of evidence against the good ol' boy type gangsters. One thing to bear in mind, is that cases involving bad guys supported by local politics often take long periods of time to solve. It has to do with the nature of the crime and local paradigms of fear.

It's no fun to be on the receiving end of local corruption. Victims are most often unable to defend themselves due to lack of income...hear me out here. Look at some of the amounts needed for legal fees in cases with appeals or moves into federal courts required. The costs for effective home security alone can be very high, and we're dealing hypothetically with experts in using laws, drug dealers and public officials to commit crimes. Most hard working people cannot afford to defend themselves against criminals backed by both parts of a local system and thugs who might come from anywhere.

So the "you're-not-going-to-arrest-my-son" (or "nephew") kind of criminal can be pretty hard to catch. The only way that I know of is to work with the Public Integrity Section, and we need a larger and stronger PIN. Such a criminal might be someone who is well known in local business circles and contributes to local charities for "political" reasons alone. The kingpin or local official gang can be quite cruel to anyone who is seduced into a web of vices or suspected of being a snitch.

Another tactic used by organized criminals, by the way, is that of falsifying criminal histories of favorite sons in organized crime. It's a federal violation but one that is unenforced in at least many cases *in some locales.* Most often, it's done with both police reports and conviction records by either putting a record under the name of the victim of the crime instead of the name of the criminal (accused/convicted) or misspelling the name of the criminal.

There are many other tactics, and the crimes do include murders of not only prostitutes and drug addicts but innocent people.

[RinaseaofDs]

Payday!

[BigpapaBo]

I’ve read about all the respouses above this post.

WRONG

If a kid says I want a lawyer/mom/dad etc. the popo will arrest you for being non compliant and a threat.

Kids have

ZERO

Rights in public schools.... Unless you happen to be on the right side of think fault.

Tell your kids to shut up. Period. Just shut their pie holes. It will not end well for the kids.

That’s what our Ass_oles - punks- etc in our schools have been taught to do.

They have ZerO rights....

[dirtboy]

here in Florida it is illegal to record conversations without all parties involved agreeing to do so.

Then Kashuv should have walked out and dared them to do anything about it. Wrongful arrest is a much more tortable offense than a sham interrorgation.

[offduty]

While that is a simple approach, it has been my experience that most Sheriff’s office are VERY POLITICAL. I would hazard a guess that most of the Broward SO hierarchy are political allies of Sheriff Israel and not the average rank and file.

So it isn’t as easy as you may think for the average deputy to go against the grain.

[offduty]

Another issue to be considered is that in all likelihood the “gestapo” that interviewed the kid were part of the cabal of the Sheriff. I doubt they were your “average” officer.

A lot of these school liaison officer jobs are plums that are handed out to political hacks in the SO. I don’t want to indict all. But... having worked LE for over 20 years, the MO certainly sounds like they were “dispatched” by either the Sheriff or the Superintendent as both of these officials have been keeping a VERY LOW profile since the news broke about the number of times Cruz was interviewed by either the SO or the number of times he was mentioned to school officials by other students.

The left’s “poster boy” has had his 15 minutes of fame and now his call for boycotting investment firms makes most normal people question his end game. His profanity-laced YouTube video certainly didn’t help his credibility either.

Add his female counterpart who was voicing her opposition to “assault weapons” while wearing a “military-style” jacket with the Cuban flag on the sleeve and some of their supporters begin to see that they are just a couple of kids who have very limited life-experiences.

The problem is Kyle has come across as a very credible young man who isn’t screaming at the top of his lungs. Isn’t brokering his survivor status to appear on every left-leaning late night show, and actually has solid, well-thought out answers to questions when asked by the media.

He is a threat to the anti-NRA narrative.

As for corruption and the like in law enforcement...this profession is no different than any other. You try and screen, test, observe, and hope to weed out the bad apples when you can. Sometimes they quit of their own accord. Sometimes not. But I submit people are human. You hope for the best and plan for the worst.

[familyop]

Another issue to be considered is that in all likelihood the 'gestapo' that interviewed the kid were part of the cabal of the Sheriff. I doubt they were your 'average' officer."

Thank you for the insights. I do remember that each officer has more independence and discretion in many ways than most people know. A little scary at times, really, with a seemingly endless variety of situations to be confronted with while trying to avoid making mistakes. Many situations are downright weird. It's very different from what people see on television.

[Joe Boucher]

You or I would have told these goons to either charge me with any damn thing or kiss my ass.
But this is a teen aged kid.
The Sheriff is a dumb ass and has set the tone for policing in Broward county.

[Anti-Bubba182]

That would be the kid’s word against them in a liberal area.
He did the right thing under the circumstances, which were rotten and unfair circumstances.