Posted on 04/15/2018 5:46:30 AM PDT by calvincaspian
Last week a woman in Roxbury lost control of her dog, a pit bull mix.
It was in the midst of mauling a woman when police shot it. Also last week in Hyannis, a 22-year-old man was attacked and wounded by a pit bull named Zeus.
In January, in Falmouth, a 1-year-old girl sustained life-threatening injuries when the family pit bull attacked her, biting her in the face. The child’s father had to resort to stabbing the animal with a knife to end the attack. After being treated locally she was flown to a Boston hospital for further care.
(Excerpt) Read more at bostonherald.com ...
Can you say that about your Sig in someone else’s hand?
I think your comparison is idiotic.
But I still like you.
Have you owned a pit bull? I have owned bull dog breeds including pit bulls for 20 years and have not had one “go off”. People randomly go out and start shooting all the time. It’s not you or me but they do. You want to let them take your gun cause someone else is a shit?
Dogs act on their own and are unpredictable when they are not trained. It’s not a breed problem. If you think so you are misinformed.
“Bull dog breeds are one of the most popular dog breeds in the United States today. Getting rid of them is next to impossible. The solution starts with educating the ignorant,not attacking the law abiding for their choice of pet.
The statistics show that the same as with guns this is a mostly inner-city problem.
I have no single solution for vicious dog attacks or inner city gun violence. All I know is that my guns haven’t shot anyone. My dogs are well trained and haven’t bit anyone or hurt any other animals.” - GranTorino
All right. Again, I stand by what I have said.
“I have not come down on the pit bull owners in the forums.
I want realistic solutions, not emotional hyperbole.” - Norski
I am going to consider carefully what you have said, and what you have not said, and think about it. While I do so, I am going to assume that you are a Freeper of conservative cast and of goodwill, and request of you again:
Would you please put forth some suggestions for this deadly and escalating problem?
Your response is important to me. I will return in a day or so.
You compared guns to dogs, and guns do nothing but sit there until they are used. Dogs can and do attack without provocation. I have seen many stories about pit bulls, and some of them sound like sweet dogs. However, I have also read too many stories of people who owned a “sweet” pit bull(s) for years only to have the dog or dogs suddenly attack. No other breed has has many recorded instances of this happening. That doesn’t even count the number of pit bull attacks on strangers.
“I have seen many stories”
I’ve seen many folks that can’t seem to wrap their head around the fact
that it is not a ‘brain’ that ties these things together
but the principle of PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY.
The actions taken to exercise that responsibility may vary
but the principle remains the same.
You keep CONTROL of your gun, you keep CONTROL of your dog.
The type of dog or the type of gun is irrelevant.
Ok. Start a church based program to teach people the truth about vicious dog attacks. Have them travel into areas where vicious dog attacks are at a high percentage. Hold educational clinics about pet care and proper training. Offer free spay and neuter days in the communities.
The key is to educate the younger people about how to care for and about pets.
Would a program like this work? Who knows? I do know some of this has and is being tried. People would rather ban something than try to work on the root of the problem.
What’s your solution?
I have attended PR events,adopted dogs,tried to educate every ignorant person I meet and lived through a failed breed specific ban. That ban targeted my dogs even though they were not pit bulls. You know how they found out I had the dogs? I registered them. Imagine that. A law abiding dog owner buys a licence for his non-vicious dogs and is told to jump through hoops so I could keep the family pet.
When I told the county I would not comply they said that was ok because they couldn’t enforce the law anyway.
I’ve done my share. You can’t force people to change.
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All right. You have owned pit bulls in the past, and now keep dogs of a breed that the county in which you live has banned.
The surgeries to repair the damage done to people cost as much as cancer treatments, up to $500,000 - and more, lasting years.
What do you think the owner of dogs that mauled a person to the extent we have been discussing should do?
What is the responsibility of the dogs owner?
Obviously we are not going to agree, but once again, a dog can get loose and a dog can act on its own. A gun cannot. Two totally different things. A dog can suddenly attack without warning, and pit bulls have the worst record on that.
The state ended the ban because it was ineffective.
The dog needs to be destroyed.
The owner needs to be held responsible.
What’s your skin in the game anyway?
Are you incapable of doing research and coming up with your own conclusions?
Or is this Chet trying to get a rise out of me.
I’m done with morons like you who worry about these dog attacks and can’t come to terms with the fact we live in a dangerous world full of evil things that we have to deal with.
Meanwhile our country burns down around us.
Go make up your own mind. I’ve made mine.
For the record, I am not Chet99. I have heard of this poster; I have been told that his posts are archived, and apparently he posted extensively on pit bull dogs. I do not know if he is active. I have not looked at or for his posts.
I am trying to decide if you are a pit bull apologist.
Dissembling while calling me a moron answers the question in my mind. Thank you.
"152 accidents from 2014 to 2016 in which children under age 12 either killed themselves or were mistakenly shot and killed by another child."
If you can not control your dog, either don't get one or it will be taken from you.
If you can not control your gun either don't get one or it will be taken away from you.
Your welcome troll.
I’m no apologist;just a realist.
Have fun posting your lightning strikes.
You have a strong following of hate on here and that’s what you wanted.
You may not know who Chet is but you are following in it’s footsteps.
Your threads will never reach his size because people here have went through this before and don’t like it.
I have not tried to hide my belief about anything.
On the other hand you are a liar. You never have said what skin you have in this game. You are obviously a troll and I’m not convinced your not Chet.
You should go back and read his threads. You would find all your answers.
Have fun posting to your large audience of forty people.
Once again, the gun did nothing. People did. Dogs can and do attack of their own volition. No comparison.
Once again you miss the point even when I capitalize it.
Do I need to put it in bold font as well?
What? That kids using guns is dangerous? That sounds more like an argument for kid control. People and dogs act independently. A gun is just a tool and cannot cause harm until a person uses it. Dogs can attack without any human involvement whatsoever. A gun isn’t going to chase someone down and kill him. A dog or a person will.
Read the article in post #71.
It is not about “kids using guns”.
It is about kids getting access to guns that are not safely stored by the adult owners of the guns and the deaths that result.
Woof!... RDO ping (it’s sad to see the names of friends and good folks on the list that are no longer with us)
No one is arguing that dogs don’t have brains or that guns do have brains.
That entirely misses the point
The focus is on who is responsible.
The owner of the gun and the owner of the dog is the one responsible.
If you can not own a dog or a gun and control it in a responsible manner then you’d best not have one.
If you ignore this advice and something bad happens because of your irresponsibility then the blame is yours, not the gun’s nor the dog’s.
Yes, dogs can act on their own volition. They have brains. A human has a bigger brain and the responsibility to use it.
Keep your dog under and in control....no excuses.
Keep your gun under and in control... no excuses.
All dogs are potentially dangerous. The larger the dog or the smaller or older the victim, the greater is the potential danger.
Where I come from most fatal dog attacks are by sled/husky-type dogs.
As you can see by the article I linked to above there are significantly more children killed due to irresponsible gun ownership than dog ownership.
Vastly more people are responsible gun and/or dog owners than are irresponsible ones.
You don’t take away the property rights, the dogs and guns of everyone, because of the actions of the relatively few irresponsible owners.
Instead, you educate, you train owners of potentially dangerous property to maintain their property in a safe manner.
Specific to dog owners, to Maintain/Contain and Socialize their dogs.
For dogs, you enact common-sense laws, such as leash laws, adequate fencing, no free roaming dogs and you rigorously enforce them by effective Animal Control.
Far too often complaints are made and not rigorously responded to by Animal Control Officers which results in soon being called back to deal with the aftermath of a serious attack.
Training can be required before dog tags are issued.
Education about dogs, interacting with and responsible ownership of, should start at the earliest age possible in schools.
All good suggestions.
My 80 lb. Siberian Husky died in her sleep at 17-before we got her, we had an 85 lb. Chow who also lived to 17. I still miss my Husky girl, even though she’s been gone 2 years-she helped save my ass when the former occupant of this property kicked in the door while I was working on a bid at the copmputer by jumping up at my side, showing teeth and snarling-gave me time to reach my pistol, order the intruder out and call the sheriff-if I lived in a city or town, my beloved companion and protector might have been on one of those ridiculous banned/bad dog lists. I don’t want another dog-she was that special to me...
I Have had 2 German Shepherds-both female-one lived to 14, the other to 13-the 1st one appointed herself personal bodyguard of our then-4 year old cub, and remained just that all her life, even when the cub was in her teens-she adopted an AKC Pit Bull puppy 12 years ago-the puppy was one of several Pits and Boxers taken from a kennel that had devolved into a puppy mill-AKC does not like that, and busted them-he is an indoor dog, my daughter’s guard-but loves to sit on your lap and crush your legs if he knows you.
I’ve only had one dog that was not on these banned/vicious lists-an Aussie Shepherd-, and I’ve never owned a small dog, preferring the larger guard/working breeds as canine companions. Those dogs do need a firm hand with an owner that is always the alpha-obedience training, patience, a good harness and leash, etc are a necessity as well-you, the human are responsible for your pet as well as your gun...
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