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A Self-Driving Uber Killed a Woman. Whose Fault Is It?
TNR ^ | 03/21/2018 | Matt Ford

Posted on 03/21/2018 12:48:17 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

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Rush is not only claiming that there was a backup human driver in the “driverless” Uber car, but cops are claiming that the woman couldn’t have been missed no matter who / what had control of the car.
"The woman darted out, and the investigators, the cops said it wouldn’t have mattered if the human being in the car had total control over it, this woman would have not been missed. Nobody would have had a reaction time quick enough to avoid hitting her.”—Rush Limbaugh, The Tech Blogger Take on the Driverless Uber Crash

An interesting comment was made that driver’s thoughts may not have been on road as consequence of basically sitting for too long.

41 posted on 03/21/2018 1:22:57 PM PDT by Amendment10
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To: dragnet2

At Walmart all pedestrians have right of way, and it has made people less inclined to watch for traffic when leaving other stores.


42 posted on 03/21/2018 1:22:58 PM PDT by Ambrosia (Southern born... NC, and have lived in PA, NY,WV,SC, NM, FL, NC....Love USA!)
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To: alamogal; BenLurkin

THE WHOLE POINT OF THESE CARS WAS THAT IT WOULD KNOW THERE WAS A PEDESTRIAN NEARBY AND WOULD SLOW DOWN

JUST IN CASE.

IT HAS FAILED AT THAT TASK.

OR DID YOU GUYS FORGET ALL THAT BRAGGING ABOUT IT’S FAMILIARITY WITH ITS SURROUNDINGS??!

I wouldnt have hit her. She didn’t come from behind a ####ing tree.

Being HUMAN, i know HUMANS dont pay attention sometimes when they cross hte street and I would have slowed down.

Driving a cab 72 hours a week for years and no accident since I was 24, now 50, i am VERY confient i am a better driver than these “self driving” cars.


43 posted on 03/21/2018 1:24:34 PM PDT by dp0622 (The Left should know saying Syrian rebels in anost back in Trump is kicked out of office, it is WAR!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Did they test the TAILPIPE for alcohol?


44 posted on 03/21/2018 1:24:53 PM PDT by dp0622 (The Left should know saying Syrian rebels in anost back in Trump is kicked out of office, it is WAR!)
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To: BenLurkin

Depending on what happened, it might be all her fault.

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Basically, the police have already said that. She stepped right in front of the car. Neither the driver or the car had time to react. The driver never saw her. His first indication of the accident was the sound of the impact.


45 posted on 03/21/2018 1:25:58 PM PDT by Moonman62 (Make America Great Again!)
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To: dp0622

Shouting doesn’t make what you said not an abject lie. The point of these cars is that they don’t get tired, drunk, distracted, or angry, and are faster to react than humans. Slowing down for every pedestrian would make them a road hazard and is a terribly stupid idea.


46 posted on 03/21/2018 1:26:29 PM PDT by discostu (It's been so long, welcome back my friend, to the show, that never ends.)
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To: alamogal

Did car have time to brake and avoid hitting victim?

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No. These cars still have to obey the laws of physics.


47 posted on 03/21/2018 1:27:09 PM PDT by Moonman62 (Make America Great Again!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Trump of course. Did they even need to ask?


48 posted on 03/21/2018 1:28:17 PM PDT by lastchance (Credo.)
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To: plain talk

> the owner of the self-driving car is liable for any damages just as if the person was driving the car

Surely correct. I was always told, “one insures the car, not the driver.” And that is why you shouldn’t let non-family drive your car, because you, the owner, are liable. It is why some recommend not to have the car in joint husband/wife ownership, because if your wife incurs a huge liability driving a car solely in her name, then that can’t sue you for your jointly owned house.


49 posted on 03/21/2018 1:29:10 PM PDT by XEHRpa
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To: discostu

Shouting doesn’t make what you said not an abject lie. The point of these cars is that they don’t get tired, drunk, distracted, or angry, and are faster to react than humans. Slowing down for every pedestrian would make them a road hazard and is a terribly stupid idea.

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Ditto.

These cars still have to obey the laws of physics, and can’t compensate for every stupid thing that humans do.


50 posted on 03/21/2018 1:29:11 PM PDT by Moonman62 (Make America Great Again!)
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To: SeekAndFind
No matter all discussion, it is Uber's fault. If they had not had a driverless, backed up by a felon using false ID, she'd still be alive. She is in the camera in advance, she was killed by their lack of attentiveness. Her "coming out of a shadow" is likely them turning into the turn and bike lane where she was run down--out of the shadows is when the car lights turned into her. Uber has admitted problem with bikes and bike lanes. Why did sensors not pick her up? Are they visual only? If so, Uber doublely at fault for driving at night. She was just in the wrong place at the wrong time, a perfect storm for Uber to fail and run her down. Worst thing, which shows failure of Uber, no sign of them slowing or braking. So the reaction time of the computer is poor, the driver says she didn't know she was their until they hit her. Very bad all around. Inattentive felon in a not-ready-for-the-road car leads to dead little old lady.

Keep the cars off the road. Sadly people want to blame her, excuse it as she was or might have been homeless, had history of drugs, etc. Does not excuse Uber from running her down. What happens next when it is someone's kid on a bicycle after school or going to school?

51 posted on 03/21/2018 1:29:13 PM PDT by Reno89519 (Americans Are Dreamers, Too! No to Amnesty, Yes to Catch-and-Deport, and Yes to E-Verify.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Hit a pedestrian in CA, regardless of circumstances and your chances of being successfully sued are extremely good.


52 posted on 03/21/2018 1:31:47 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: rxsid

The reason for this is that most states’ negligence and traffic laws require drivers to be alert to what is around them and to pay attention to hazards in the road. A pedestrian certainly qualifies as a hazard in the road. In other words, drivers have a legal obligation to see and avoid what is there to be seen.”

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Very true, but a driver isn’t expected by the law to yield to a pedestrian that darts in front of them.


53 posted on 03/21/2018 1:32:52 PM PDT by Moonman62 (Make America Great Again!)
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To: SeekAndFind

The real question: Who can I sue?


54 posted on 03/21/2018 1:34:39 PM PDT by Rocky (I have principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others. - Groucho Marx)
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To: SeekAndFind

Could it be the self-absorbed miss-thang walking her bike across the road, oblivious to the world around her?


55 posted on 03/21/2018 1:35:53 PM PDT by humblegunner
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I guess no one saw that coming...(RME) automated vehicles, people... I reckon once this pie-in-the-sky automation goes full tilt boogie, pedestrians/bicyclists will have devolved to something akin to a deer strike.


56 posted on 03/21/2018 1:36:08 PM PDT by Clutch Martin (Hot sauce aside, every culture has its pancakes, just as every culture has its noodle.)
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To: plain talk

“I would think the owner of the self-driving car is liable for any damages just as if the person was driving the car.”

Does that apply to all products one may own that have faulty designs or faulty manufacturing? like if a faulty hot water heater you owned in your house blew up and killed some of your house guests?

Interesting legal theory. Consumers bear all liability for the faulty products they buy. I’m surprised lawyers even bother to sue companies anymore when everything is the fault of the buyer.


57 posted on 03/21/2018 1:38:35 PM PDT by catnipman ( Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Global warming.


58 posted on 03/21/2018 1:38:38 PM PDT by SkyDancer ( ~ Just Consider Me A Random Fact Generator ~ Eat Sleep Fly Repeat ~)
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To: Leep

“By driving this car you agree to assume any and all liability. If you do not agree ..you do not drive.”

don’t you mean:

“By NOT driving this car you agree to assume any and all liability. If you do not agree ..you do NOT not drive.”


59 posted on 03/21/2018 1:40:52 PM PDT by catnipman ( Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: marktwain
They also said the vehicle was going 38 mph in a 35 mph zone.

According to Google Maps street view and Bing street view images, the speed limit along that stretch is 45 MPH, not 35. I found the exact location yesterday, and backed up down the road until I saw a speed limit sign.

That's not to say it couldn't have changed since those images were taken, but it clearly shows 45 MPH being the limit at that time.

60 posted on 03/21/2018 1:42:33 PM PDT by IYAS9YAS (There are two kinds of people: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data.)
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