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To: logi_cal869

You’re delusional. “Junk science”? where? We’re talking about a real rocket, of serious size & capability, actually being launched a few days ago.

Yes, NASA faltered. That’s kinda the point. Faltered for decades. Took some “opportunist” (your term) to fill that gap by going pretty much from zero to reusable Saturn-scale rocket in a short time (that ain’t “junk science”, that’s brilliance).

Junk science in your state is your problem (unless your state is GA, then it’s ours). You’re ranting incoherently as you go from there into cap-and-trade taxes, healthcare, and other points totally unrelated to this thread.

I don’t know why you’re ranting about gov’t overspending. That’s kinda the point of SpaceX: both slashing the cost of big launches, AND get its funding out of gov’t coffers.

Do I approve of the gov’t “subsidizing” Musk’s ventures?
Let’s make this quite clear:
If Musk is GETTING money from the gov’t (beyond simply being a customer), that’s bad.
If the gov’t is NOT TAKING money from Musk (and so he has more to spend on R&D), that’s good.

Tax cuts are good. Tax credits are tax cuts; they’re good. I’m all for tax cuts. AFAIK that’s what Musk is leveraging: lowered taxes, so he can throw more of his own money into R&D rather than having it confiscated for welfare queens. If anything, he’s a prime example of what happens when we stop the gov’t from taking so much money from the productive.

However he’s being “subsidized”, he’s producing more tax revenue as a result. The alleged $5B in “subsidies” he received has more than been paid back by his ventures. Heck, he himself paid $2.5B in taxes in 2016 alone.

Solyndra was “junk science” and “opportunism” and “overspending”. They set up shop, pocketed $millions, and disappeared.
Musk’s ventures are actually producing fruit. Tesla has a line of cars you can actually buy, roughly on par with their non-EV equivalents. SpaceX is making frequent deliveries to space, at attractive prices having slashed launch costs by some 90% thru serious technology advances.

Upshot:
Your gripe is with your legislators, not with Musk. If they’re gonna throw lots of tax BREAKS at him, I’m all for him accepting them.
If the gov’t stopped subsidizing him, Tesla/SpaceX/etc would still be producing.
You’re yelling at the wrong people.


43 posted on 02/09/2018 2:56:05 PM PST by ctdonath2 (It's not "white privilege", it's "Puritan work ethic". Behavior begets consequences.)
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To: ctdonath2

The junk science behind the Tesla facade: AGW. That’s patently obvious to tens of millions of the rest of us; why not YOU?

“Your gripe is with your legislators, not with Musk. If they’re gonna throw lots of tax BREAKS at him, I’m all for him accepting them.”

That logic is why half the population is on the government dole. “Incoherently:” To a moron. The problem here is self-evident from a Conservative perspective. Obviously you don’t see it and choose to be argumentative to defend your emotional attachment to Musk.

I stand behind my statements 100% and you fawning Tesla cheerleaders should really take a look in the mirror.

I don’t care if you have been on FR since 2000; you’re horribly conflicted and your back must hurt horribly with your head stuck way, way up there...


49 posted on 02/09/2018 4:35:19 PM PST by logi_cal869 (-cynicus-)
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